GRB-66-03 | Proposal for amendments to the 02 series of amendments to Regulation No. 117 (Netherlands)
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Proposal to increase the stringency of tyre noise limits starting from 1 November 2020.
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Document Reference Number: GRB-66-03
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Submitted by: Netherlands
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Document date: 24 Aug 17
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Document status: Informal GR review
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GRB-62-11 | Proposal for amendments to the 02 series of amendments to Regulation 117
GRB-62-11/Add.1 | Proposal for amendments to the 02 series of amendments to Regulation 117 (presentation)
GRB-66-01 | Tyres in Europe: Tightening of tyre limits and further suggestions for improvement
GRB-67-18 | UN R117: Response to the ETRTO comments on the proposal for stricter tyre noise limits
GRB-68-27 | Strengthening tyre limits: new developments
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68th GRB session (12-14
Sep 2018)
11. The expert from the Netherlands recalled his earlier proposals on strengthening the tyre noise limits and reported on new developments in this field (GRB-68-27), including a proposal for the new European Regulation on General Safety. Finally, he sought consent of GRB for transforming GRB-66-03, which had proposed stricter noise limits, into a working document for the next session of GRB. The experts of Norway and CAETS generally supported the idea of reducing noise limits in UN Regulation No. 117. The expert of ETRTO recalled their comments presented at the previous session (GRB-67-08). The expert from EC pointed out that the proposal for the new European Regulation was still under discussion. For this reason, the Chair felt that it would be premature to submit an official document with the new tyres limits to the next session.
12. The expert from the Netherlands presented a study (GRB-62-09 and Add.1) on noise emission from the Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM) tyres of a specific size which were found to be around 1 dB(A) lower than the one from replacement tyres of the same size. The expert, thus, proposed to further reduce the limit values for OEM tyres in the 02 series of amendments to Regulation No. 117 (GRB-62-11 and Add.1).
13. The expert from Switzerland expressed his support for the general direction of the Dutch proposal. The experts from Germany and EC were of the view that, at this stage, it would be premature to tighten the tyre noise limits of Regulation No. 117. The expert from France called for a holistic approach to this issue. The experts from ETRTO and OICA expressed doubts about the representativeness of the tyre sample used in the Dutch study. The expert from ETRTO also delivered comments on the proposal for amendments to Regulation No. 117 (GRB-62-17). Finally, GRB invited all experts to further study the Dutch proposal and decided to revert to this issue at the next session.
15. The expert from the Netherlands provided an overview of their research projects on tyres and proposed a two-stage tightening of the tyre limits for the rolling resistance coefficient, wet grip index and rolling sound emissions (GRB-66-01 and Add.1, GRB-66-03). He also highlighted the importance of keeping the correct tyre pressure for fuel efficiency and pointed out shortcomings of the EU system for labelling tyres.
16. The expert from ETRTO was of the view that the selections of tyres in the Dutch studies was not representative enough for the European market and volunteered to submit to the next GRB session a more comprehensive analysis. The expert from OICA supported the ETRTO view and proposal. He further introduced the results of a recent study of C1 summer tyres (GRB-66-22) according to which no tyre was performing equally well in rolling sound and handling. The expert from Germany acknowledged the progress achieved in rolling sound and pointed out the need to find a compromise for the three tyre parameters in question. He also agreed that the tyre labelling system would need to be improved.
15. The expert from ETRTO assessed the latest proposals from the Netherlands for stricter tyre noise limits, as presented at the sixty-sixth session of GRB (GRB-67-08). He pointed out some limitations in the data subset used in the Dutch study and questioned the methodology used to derive the new proposed limits from the data subset. The expert from the Netherlands replied to the ETRTO comments (GRB-67-18).
16. The experts from Germany and OICA pointed out that the Dutch study had been based on tyre labels which might be incorrect. The expert from the Russian Federation drew the attention of GRB to the need for a holistic approach to the tyre rolling noise in the system “tyre/road surface”. The Chair noted two different approaches for tyre selection by the Netherlands and ETRTO: the Dutch study focused on the most popular tyres of several brands covering about 90 per cent of the market, while ETRTO was concerned about a much wider selection of brands to ensure market choice.
17. GRB invited the Netherlands, ETRTO and other stakeholders to work together with the aim to undertake a holistic study of tyres on the market. Finally, GRB agreed to resume the discussion at the next session.
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GRB-67-08 | UN R117: Assessment of the Netherlands proposal (ETRTO)
Document Reference Number: GRB-67-08
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Submitted by: ETRTO
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Document date: 22 Jan 18
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GRB-66-01 | Tyres in Europe: Tightening of tyre limits and further suggestions for improvement
GRB-66-01/Add.1 | Tyres in Europe presentation
GRB-62-11/Add.1 | Proposal for amendments to the 02 series of amendments to Regulation 117 (presentation)
GRB-67-18 | UN R117: Response to the ETRTO comments on the proposal for stricter tyre noise limits
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68th GRB session (12-14
Sep 2018)
11. The expert from the Netherlands recalled his earlier proposals on strengthening the tyre noise limits and reported on new developments in this field (GRB-68-27), including a proposal for the new European Regulation on General Safety. Finally, he sought consent of GRB for transforming GRB-66-03, which had proposed stricter noise limits, into a working document for the next session of GRB. The experts of Norway and CAETS generally supported the idea of reducing noise limits in UN Regulation No. 117. The expert of ETRTO recalled their comments presented at the previous session (GRB-67-08). The expert from EC pointed out that the proposal for the new European Regulation was still under discussion. For this reason, the Chair felt that it would be premature to submit an official document with the new tyres limits to the next session.
12. The expert from the Netherlands presented a study (GRB-62-09 and Add.1) on noise emission from the Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM) tyres of a specific size which were found to be around 1 dB(A) lower than the one from replacement tyres of the same size. The expert, thus, proposed to further reduce the limit values for OEM tyres in the 02 series of amendments to Regulation No. 117 (GRB-62-11 and Add.1).
13. The expert from Switzerland expressed his support for the general direction of the Dutch proposal. The experts from Germany and EC were of the view that, at this stage, it would be premature to tighten the tyre noise limits of Regulation No. 117. The expert from France called for a holistic approach to this issue. The experts from ETRTO and OICA expressed doubts about the representativeness of the tyre sample used in the Dutch study. The expert from ETRTO also delivered comments on the proposal for amendments to Regulation No. 117 (GRB-62-17). Finally, GRB invited all experts to further study the Dutch proposal and decided to revert to this issue at the next session.
15. The expert from the Netherlands provided an overview of their research projects on tyres and proposed a two-stage tightening of the tyre limits for the rolling resistance coefficient, wet grip index and rolling sound emissions (GRB-66-01 and Add.1, GRB-66-03). He also highlighted the importance of keeping the correct tyre pressure for fuel efficiency and pointed out shortcomings of the EU system for labelling tyres.
16. The expert from ETRTO was of the view that the selections of tyres in the Dutch studies was not representative enough for the European market and volunteered to submit to the next GRB session a more comprehensive analysis. The expert from OICA supported the ETRTO view and proposal. He further introduced the results of a recent study of C1 summer tyres (GRB-66-22) according to which no tyre was performing equally well in rolling sound and handling. The expert from Germany acknowledged the progress achieved in rolling sound and pointed out the need to find a compromise for the three tyre parameters in question. He also agreed that the tyre labelling system would need to be improved.
15. The expert from ETRTO assessed the latest proposals from the Netherlands for stricter tyre noise limits, as presented at the sixty-sixth session of GRB (GRB-67-08). He pointed out some limitations in the data subset used in the Dutch study and questioned the methodology used to derive the new proposed limits from the data subset. The expert from the Netherlands replied to the ETRTO comments (GRB-67-18).
16. The experts from Germany and OICA pointed out that the Dutch study had been based on tyre labels which might be incorrect. The expert from the Russian Federation drew the attention of GRB to the need for a holistic approach to the tyre rolling noise in the system “tyre/road surface”. The Chair noted two different approaches for tyre selection by the Netherlands and ETRTO: the Dutch study focused on the most popular tyres of several brands covering about 90 per cent of the market, while ETRTO was concerned about a much wider selection of brands to ensure market choice.
17. GRB invited the Netherlands, ETRTO and other stakeholders to work together with the aim to undertake a holistic study of tyres on the market. Finally, GRB agreed to resume the discussion at the next session.
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GRB-68-02 | UN R51.03: Comments on tyre selection (China and CATARC)
Document Reference Number: GRB-68-02
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Submitted by: China and CATARC
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Document date: 27 Aug 18
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Sep 2018)
6. The expert from China raised questions on choosing tyres for the 03 series of amendments to UN Regulation No. 51 as well as for UN Regulations Nos. 30, 54 and 117 on tyres (GRB-68-02). The experts from the Russian Federation and ETRTO commented on the raised issues and invited the expert from China to discuss them bilaterally.
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GRB-68-19 | UN R117: Proposal for a Supplement to the 02 series of amendments (Russia)
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Proposal to align UN R117 related to approval numbers and markings in line with the provisions of Schedule 4 to the 1958 Agreement addressing the concern raised by the Informal Working Group on the
International Whole Vehicle Type Approval (IWVTA).
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Document Reference Number: GRB-68-19
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Submitted by: Russia
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Document date: 13 Sep 18
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Document status: Informal GR review
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Sep 2018)
21. In reply to the concerns raised by the Informal Working Group on the International Whole Vehicle Type Approval (IWG IWVTA) at the 175th session of WP.29 (ECE/TRANS/WP.29/1139, para. 67), the expert from the Russian Federation proposed to align the provisions of UN Regulation No. 117 related to approval numbers and markings with the provisions of Schedule 4 to the 1958 Agreement (GRB-68-19). The expert for ETRTO stated that he would contribute to the document. The Chair invited other experts to provide their comments to the expert of the Russian Federation with a view to producing an official document for consideration at the next session.
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GRB-68-23 | Snow tyres provisions: status report (BIPAVER, ETRTO, Finland, France, Germany, Russia, and Japan)
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Sep 2018)
35. The expert from Germany presented a status report of the group of interested experts from Finland, France, Germany, Japan and Russian Federation, BIPAVER and ETRTO on snow tyre provisions (GRB-68-23).
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GRB-68-27 | Strengthening tyre limits: new developments (Netherlands)
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Presentation in support of establishing a 02 series of amendments to UN R117 with higher stringencies based on informal document GRB-66-03.
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Document Reference Number: GRB-68-27
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Submitted by: Netherlands
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Document date: 14 Sep 18
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GRB-66-03 | Proposal for amendments to the 02 series of amendments to Regulation No. 117
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68th GRB session (12-14
Sep 2018)
11. The expert from the Netherlands recalled his earlier proposals on strengthening the tyre noise limits and reported on new developments in this field (GRB-68-27), including a proposal for the new European Regulation on General Safety. Finally, he sought consent of GRB for transforming GRB-66-03, which had proposed stricter noise limits, into a working document for the next session of GRB. The experts of Norway and CAETS generally supported the idea of reducing noise limits in UN Regulation No. 117. The expert of ETRTO recalled their comments presented at the previous session (GRB-67-08). The expert from EC pointed out that the proposal for the new European Regulation was still under discussion. For this reason, the Chair felt that it would be premature to submit an official document with the new tyres limits to the next session.
15. The expert from the Netherlands provided an overview of their research projects on tyres and proposed a two-stage tightening of the tyre limits for the rolling resistance coefficient, wet grip index and rolling sound emissions (GRB-66-01 and Add.1, GRB-66-03). He also highlighted the importance of keeping the correct tyre pressure for fuel efficiency and pointed out shortcomings of the EU system for labelling tyres.
16. The expert from ETRTO was of the view that the selections of tyres in the Dutch studies was not representative enough for the European market and volunteered to submit to the next GRB session a more comprehensive analysis. The expert from OICA supported the ETRTO view and proposal. He further introduced the results of a recent study of C1 summer tyres (GRB-66-22) according to which no tyre was performing equally well in rolling sound and handling. The expert from Germany acknowledged the progress achieved in rolling sound and pointed out the need to find a compromise for the three tyre parameters in question. He also agreed that the tyre labelling system would need to be improved.
17. The Chair was of the view that amending the limit values in Regulation No. 117 would first require a general agreement of all stakeholders, including the Working Party on Brakes and Running Gear (GRRF). Finally, GRB decided to continue the discussion at the next session.
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GRVA/2018/5 | UN R117: Proposal for a Supplement (ETRTO)
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Proposal to update certain Standard Reference Test Tyre (SRTT) denominations, to remove the distinction between the two Class C3 tyres, to clarify the text and remove the reference to tyres “not marked with speed symbol”. This document will be handled by GRB during its 68th session and is referenced under GRVA due to the “conversion” of GRRF.
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Document Reference Number: GRVA/2018/5
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Submitted by: ETRTO
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Document date: 16 Jul 18
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Document status: Superseded
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GRB-68-12 | UN R117: Comments on the Supplement proposal GRVA/2018/5
GRBP/2019/19 | UN R117: Proposal for an amendment
WP.29/2020/6 | UN R117: Proposal for Supplement 11 to the 02 series of amendments
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68th GRB session (12-14
Sep 2018)
30. The expert from ETRTO introduced draft amendments to UN Regulation No. 117 (ECE/TRANS/WP.29/GRVA/2018/5 and GRB-68-12). The proposal received comments from the experts of Germany, Spain, United States of America and BIPAVER. The Chair invited other experts to transmit their remarks to ETRTO with a view to submitting a revised consolidated proposal to the next session.
14. The expert from ETRTO recalled the postponed proposal for amendments (ECE/TRANS/WP.29/GRVA/2018/5 and GRB-68-12) and presented complementary modifications (ECE/TRANS/WP.29/GRBP/2019/19, GRBP-70-21-Rev.2). Various experts posed clarifying questions, in particular, on the use of terms “repeatability” and “reproducibility”. Following an in-depth discussion, GRBP adopted the proposals, as amended by Annex III, and requested the secretariat to submit them to WP.29 and AC.1 for consideration and vote at their March 2020 sessions as a draft Supplement 11 to the 02 series of amendments to UN Regulation No. 117.
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