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1. | Welcome and organization |
Chair welcomed participants for the meeting #8 in India. Director of ARAI welcomed the IWG on WLTP and stressed the strong commitment of India in supporting the WLTP project. She pointed out the importance of future developments of concepts for alternative fuels and electrified vehicles for the country. Chair thanked ARAI for hosting the IWG WLTP experts and for the perfect organization. |
2. | Adoption of the agenda and approval of previous session report |
Minutes of 7th IWG meeting (WLTP-07-18e) were adopted without changes. India will give additionally information about the round robin exercises (item 11).
WLTP-07-18 | Draft minutes of the 7th WLTP informal working group session
WLTP-08-02/Rev.3 | Draft agenda for the 8th WLTP informal working group session (Revision 3)
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3. | Open issues table |
Update since 7th IWG meeting (WLTP-08-03e) was presented. The relevant task forces and their leaders are named (see column: contact person). TF leaders are required to inform WLTP leading team about TF members as well as agendas and minutes of scheduled TF meetings. WLTP leading team will collect the information and provide it to IWG members until WLTP IWG meeting #9.
WLTP-08-03 | WLTP Phase 1b open issues status sheet
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4. | Report from Subgroup EV (Annex 8) |
#50: RCB Correction:
WLTP-SG-EV-06-11 | WLTP: RCB correction for (N-)OVC-HEV charge sustaining test (Open issue no. 50)
#55: Phase Specific calculation:
WLTP-SG-EV-06-03/Rev.1 | Phase-specific calculation for PEV range (revised)
#2, #56: CO2 family definition and Combined Approach: ACEA proposed that the midpoint could create two new families. The concept needs to be developed further regarding definition of the midpoint. T&E proposes to combine the two proposals from JPN and ACEA to clarify which parameters need to be considered regarding phase specific values in the combined approach.
WLTP-SG-EV-06-04/Rev.1 | WLTP: ACEA input on EV consumption and range values Combined Approach
WLTP-SG-EV-06-05 | WLTP EV: Japan positions on open issues 2&56: FC/CO2 Family and Combined Approach
#52: End of test criteria for PEV: JPN will present position on the proposal from ACEA at WLTP IWG meeting #9.
WLTP-SG-EV-06-07/Rev.1 | WLTP: PEV Range test procedure-End of test criteria
#3: System power determination: Thus, this issue is closed in WLTP IWG. Nevertheless it is very important that WLTP Subgroup EV provides input to the EVE group, especially which performance criteria are needed for WLTP. The possibility to extend the scope from HEVs to PEVs and conventional vehicles should be reconsidered.
WLTP-SG-EV-06-08 | WLTP: Proposal on Determination of Powertrain Performance of Hybrid Electric Vehicles
#57: Utility factors: India requested that a harmonized methodology for UF development is provided in the GTR. This is helpful for CP who haven’t determined UF factors yet and might encourage CPs to use the given UFs instead of developing own ones. WLTP IWG supported the following general approach: Issue 2) will be raised by WLTP IWG Chair in progress report to GRPE in the general context Further political discussion regarding the of including inclusion of regional options in the GTR will take place in GRPE. WLTP IWG Chair requested EV Chairs to provide a separate working document for IWG meeting #9. It shall include a comparison on existing methodologies for UF development and give a view on chances for harmonization. Outcome of Annex 8 drafting meeting was not discussed .The further proceeding is connected to the general drafting issues (item 11) and the establishment of a IWG Drafting Task Force.
WLTP-SG-EV-06-12 | WLTP: Fractional utility factors
WLTP-SG-EV-06-15 | WLTP: Japan comments on utility factor for off-vehicle charging of hybrid electric vehicles
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5. | Main part & Cycle issues (Annex 1 & 2) |
#5: Modifications of the calculation parameter/coefficients r0, a1 and b1 (WLTP-08-10e)
WLTP-08-10 | Modifications to the WLTP calculation parameter coefficients (Open issue item 5)
Proposal for modifications to the calculation parameter/coefficients r<sub>0</sub>, a<sub>1</sub> and b<sub>1</sub> prepared by the WLTP downscaling issues task force.
#6: Annex 2, section 2, use of the gearbox, required data (WLTP-08-11e, WLTP-08-12e) For the amendment of definition of nmin_drive, the perspective was given to have a proposal ready for adoption for IWG meeting #10. For the calculation of gear use if separate groups of transmission ratios are available, the proposal to base the gear use determination on the group normally used for on-road operation was adopted by WLTP IWG. The wording needs to be improved regarding “range” (B. Coleman, Drafting Coordinator). Definition of exception of crawler gears in current gtr was discussed in TF without conclusion. Timeframe was extended to IWG meeting #10.
WLTP-08-11 | WLTP use of the gearbox: required data (Open issue item 6)
Open issue 6 "Use of the gearbox, required data" concerns the following:<ul><li>modification of the definition of n<sub>min_drive</sub> to make it more appropriate for modern engines and to make manipulations more difficult.</li><li>Addition of n<sub>max</sub> to section 2 and amendment of required data because the current definition is not appropriate for low powered vehicles.</li><li>Replacement of P<sub>normwot</sub>(n<sub>norm i, j</sub>) in Section 2 (i) by P<sub>wot</sub>(n<sub> i, j</sub>) because there is no need for the normalisation.</li></ul>
WLTP-08-12 | WLTP: Use of the gearbox, auwiliary gearboxes, exception of crawler gear (Open issue item 6)
Proposal to add requirements, address vehicles with a two-range transmission (low and high), and introduce the possibility to exclude crawler gears from the gear use calculation. The presentation proposed to add a provision: "For vehicles equipped with a two range transmission (low and high), only the range designed to normal on road operation is considered for the gear use determination."
#6: Annex 2, sections 3.2 and 3.3 (WLTP-08-13e): Additional safety margin for full load power curve was required by India and manufacturers. Task force developed an exponential approach. Amendment of gtr is proposed and was adopted by WLTP IWG. India will analyses the impact of the tolerance band of power determination and will give additional feedback to the task force.
WLTP-08-13 | WLTP: Determination of engine speeds and calculation of available power (Open issue item 6)
Proposals to clarify and focus the text on engine speeds and to address requests for an additional safety margin in the full load power curve at certain engine speed sections.
#6: Revised text for annex 2 with requirements for deceleration phases (WLTP-08-14e /-14e_clean)
WLTP-08-14/clean | WLTP: Revised text for Annex 2 (Open issue item 6)
Clean copy of the proposal for a "fundamentally amended" version of Annex 2 in GTR No. 15.
#8: Annex 2, section 4b (WLTP-08-15rev1)
WLTP-08-15 | WLTP: Replace 3 s rule by 2 s rule (Open issue item 8)
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6. | RLD & dyno setting (Annex 4) |
Progress report (WLTP-08-17-rev1e) was given on RLD issues (#10 – 21), incl. outcome of validation exercises, by TF Coordinator R. Cuelenaere
WLTP-08-17/Rev.1 | WLTP: Progress report on Annex 4 (Road Load Determination)
#11: onboard anemometry / wind conditions TNO will assess the need of improved specifications for the on-board measurement technology and report at IWG meeting#9. Decision to keep onboard anemometry in the gtr or not will be based on assessment from TNO and on further input from automotive industry, especially Ford. #13-15: Torque meter method Starting note on tyre selection: Independent from the EU COM proposal NL proposed that the gtr should reference to the ISO standard instead of R117 for determination of rolling resistance. NL (A. Rijnders) will provide a proposal for pre-discussion in the RLD TF and possible adoption at IWG meeting #9.
WLTP-08-18 | WLTP: handling of tyre rolling resistances for the combined approach
#1b_2: Concept for Road Load Family B. Coleman suggested renaming of “CO2-family” should be considered with reflection to pure EV. The term “CO2 family” is already blocked by some regional legislation, it should therefore be renamed. “Combined approach family” (or a similar term) would be more appropriate. Input is requested for IWG meeting #9.
WLTP-08-20 | Road load family draft (Open issue item 1b-2)
#10: Use of Wind tunnel data for combined approach:
WLTP-08-21 | WLTP Annex 4 and 7, Delta Cd*Af: Alternative Cd*Af determination methods
#18: Use of wind tunnel + moving belt/dyno as alternative RLD method: India requested more detailed background information on the development of this new method in a form of a technical report. A more detailed progress report, incl. this background information, is expected by BMW in meeting #10, with a preview in meeting #9. It is also expected that the information will be given in the formal technical report which will be provided together with the GRPE working document for amendment of gtr No. 15. Initiative of Technical Gtr Sponsors (JPN, EC) is necessary. UTAC presented comparison results (WLTP-08-23e) between coast down and windtunnel(WT)/chassdynamometer(CD) method. WT+CD offer a better repeatability & reproducibility than the track method. More data is expected from VW. Initial gtr draft text of this new method was outlined (WLTP-08-25e) for wind tunnel and moving belt regarding procedure and equipment. Repeatability criteria have to be developed based on validation measurement results. Draft will be discussed further in detail in the task force and presented for confirmation in IWG meeting #10.
WLTP-08-22 | WLTP: RLD with flatbelt/dyno plus wind tunnel method status report
WLTP-08-23 | WLTP RLD with chassis dyno plus wind tunnel validation program
WLTP-08-24 | WLTP wind tunnel method: Requirements for flat belt
Input for open issue items 10 and 18.
WLTP-08-25 | WLTP wind tunnel method: draft GTR provisions
#17: Default road load parameters: ACEA welcomed the NL proposal and gave a feedback (WLTP-08-27e). Additional coast down data and comparison to the adjusted default values are expected to be delivered by ACEA to RLD TF. The separate proposal to adapt the factor of “F0” in the current gtr formula should be further discussed in the RLD TF. ACEA also offered to provide a document which describes the EU concept of MSV as background information for other Contracting Parties. WLTP IWG agreed to postpone final discussion on default parameters to IWG meeting #10.
WLTP-08-26 | WLTP: Hybrid vehicle default road load method
#12, #21 Definition of Reference speed points:
WLTP-08-28 | WLTP: Proposal for reference speeds (version 3)
Final proposal of the Speed Points (OIL #12, #21) drafting group.
#19: Proposal for alternative warm up procedure:
WLTP-08-29/Rev.1 | WLTP: Alternative warm-up procedure (Open issue 19)
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7. | Test equipment and calibrations (Annex 5) |
#23: 4WD dyno specifications:
WLTP-08-05 | WLTP: Requirements for 4WD dynamometers (Open issue item 23)
#24-26: Starting note
WLTP-08-30 | WLTP: Starting note for open issue items 24-26
Initial comments concerning the chassis dynamometer calibration, force transducer and dynamometer parasitic loss calibrations, measurement equipment, and force measurement system under GTR No. 15.
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8. | Test procedure and conditions (Annex 6) |
#27: Number of tests: TF leader T. Fujiwara will convene experts to prepare a status document, which summarizes the situation (advantages/disadvantages of approaches), and develop a harmonized gtr draft text.
WLTP-08-31 | WLTP: Number of tests (Open issue item 27)
WLTP-08-43 | WLTP: Proposal on number of tests
#31: Provisions for Coasting:
WLTP-08-32 | Progress report of the WLTP task force on the coasting method
WLTP-08-32/Annex.1 | Bosch proposal to the Coasting Method WLTP Task Force (Annex to the task force progress report)
Conclusions: Draft text for adopted OILs will be provided to drafting coordinator by the TF leader, N. Ichikawa.
WLTP-08-33 | WlTP: Handling of Ki (Open issue items 34-38)
Proposals from the task force assigned to consider these open issues.
Clarification on temperature provisions (soak / type 1 test):
WLTP-08-34 | WLTP: Vehicle temperature in test cell for Type I tests
Not discussed: |
9. | Calculations (Annex 7) |
#38: CO2/FC calculation: #42: Willans factors for petrol (E10) & diesel (B7):
WLTP-08-06/Rev.1 | WLTP: Willans factors for petrol (E10) & diesel (B7) (Open issue item 42)
#43: FC calculations: Draft text will be provided to the drafting coordinator and NL suggested crosschecking the proposal with item 2.3 of the calculation algorithms proposal by EC (WLTP-08-38e).
WLTP-08-07 | WLTP: Fuel consumption calculation for ICE vehicles (Open issue item 43)
WLTP-08-38 | EC cover note accompanying the draft TNO WLTP correction algorithms report
#47: FC interpolation method:
WLTP-08-08 | WLTP: Fuel consumption interpolation method (Open issue item 47)
#49: Calculation of CO2 value for an individual vehicle
WLTP-08-35 | WLTP: CO2 calculation method (Open issue item 49)
ACEA recommendation concerning the calculation of the CO2 value for an individual vehicle by the CO2 interpolation method (No addition of Matlab formulae in the GTR.)
#44–46: Additional pollutants: |
10. | Normalization procedures (OIL #48) |
Position paper (WLTP-08-38e) was presented by EU-COM with the aim to decide on a package of procedures for harmonization and a timeframe for inclusion into gtr (priorities A, B, C). The focus lies on issues with priority A (immediate EU implementation & introduction in gtr in phase1B) and B (further investigation and introduction in phase1B). Proposal on item 2.7 (inaccuracy of road load setting on the chassis dyno) was withdrawn during discussions. A first view was given by ACEA (WLTP-08-46, -08-47 by BMW): Item 6.2 (Rotational inertia mass) needs in view of ACEA further investigation. JPN will provide its positions in IWG meeting #9, with the focus on items with rank of A or B. (note: inclusion of other items in WLTP phase 2 needs to be discussed separately, see agenda item 11) India requested information about data basis for indicated possible deviations. EU COM referred to details in the report of TUG / TNO (WLTP-08-37e). EU will clarify the immediate need for introduction of a cycle correction in European legislation before adoption of WLTP phase 1B. Chair recommends TF to continue the discussion focusing on the A-Elements and later on the B-Position. All Contracting Parties are strongly requested to give a clear position, if this approach should be handled in general within the scope of WLTP gtr and if yes, which of the proposed items are supported to be harmonized within phase 1B. (Deadline for feedback: 02.01.2015). Additional assessments with a view on technical aspects / possible difficulties and necessary validations are also welcomed.
WLTP-08-37 | EU/TNO WLTP correction algorithms draft study
TNO draft report on "Correction algorithms for WLTP chassis dynamometer and coast-down testing".
WLTP-08-38 | EC cover note accompanying the draft TNO WLTP correction algorithms report
WLTP-08-46 | WLTP: BMW comment on drive trace correction
WLTP-08-47 | WLTP: BMW comments on the road load normalization of rotational mass
#41: Driving trace index: |
11. | General issues |
#59: System equivalency, Annex 9:
WLTP-08-09 | WLTP: Determination of system equivalency (Open issue item 59)
Round Robin exercises: Amendment for Gtr 15 definitions
WLTP-08-39 | Propulsion systems definitions
WLTP-08-45 | Review of definitions in WLTP GTR
Drafting issues: WLTP IWG received several comments from JPN, T&E and OICA members on the expert proposals in the current gtr draft (WLTP-08-04e) which were foreseen to be adopted by written procedure with deadline 31.10.2015. B. Coleman suggested to schedule drafting team meetings to have a peer review of the complete gtr draft. WLTP IWG concluded that a Drafting TF shall deal with the open points regarding expert proposals (editorial stuff, minor technical amendments, etc.) and conduct a peer review of the complete gtr. Drafting meetings to be arranged by the Drafting Coordinator. Brief introduction of new Expert Proposals to be adopted by written procedure will be in drafting taskforce if needed. Schedule for drafting taskforce will be established by Chair until 12/2014. Chair clarified that all amendments from Drafting task force still need to be adopted formally by WLTP IWG later on. More fundamental issues need to be reported separately to WLTP IWG and will be added as separate discussions points to an IWG agenda, if necessary. Indication of temperatures (°C / K, “273[.15] K”) has to be consistent within the gtr. Systematic approach will be developed by expert group (M. Bergmann, A. Feucht) and submitted to the WLTP IWG. To ensure consistency with other gtr’s, Chair will inform other GRPE IWGs, e.g. EPPR, by progress report in January GRPE.
WLTP-08-04 | Working draft of the amended GTR No. 15 pursuant to phase 1b as of 14 September 2014
WLTP-08-40 | Report on WLTP GTR draft issues
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12. | Working Issues for WLTP Phase 2 |
Starting note by K. Kobayashi (WLTP-08-41e, WLTP-08-41e_annex) was presented. ToR need to be established until mid of 2015. Main issues are durability, in service conformity, additional tests. A questionnaire will be sent out to CPs to be completed until the end of February 2015. First views in IWG meeting #9 by K. Steininger (WLTP-08-42e) including EV issues of WLTP Phase 2 & 3. Consolidated communication to EVE-IWG is recommended. OICA is invited to contribute.
WLTP-08-41 | Starting note for WLTP Phase 2
Initial working items for the phase 2 development of GTR No. 15 going into 2016.
WLTP-08-41/Annex.1 | Annex to the starting note for WLTP Phase 2
WLTP-08-42 | WLTP phases 2-3: Electric vehicle issues
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13. | Next meeting(s) |
9th WLTP IWG Meeting, January 2015 (Geneva, 14.01.2015, full day) |
14. | Any other business |
Information about status of Fuel Efficiency Policy in Korea (WLTP-08-44-rev1e) Integrated fuel efficiency monitoring entered in force for road load determination and fuel efficiency. In-use program to be installed within 1 to 2 years.
WLTP-08-44 | Status of fuel-efficiency policy in Korea
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