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European Commission input regarding the new EVE informal group mandate and path forward
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82. WP.29 decided to consider this under agenda item 19.5.
126. The representative of Canada introduced ECE/TRANS/WP.29/2014/81, prepared by the IWG on EVE. AC.3 endorsed this proposal and requested the secretariat, together with the leadership team of EVE, to determine how to label and where to place the document on the UNECE website.
127. The representative of Canada presented ECE/TRANS/WP.29/2014/88, proposing an extension to the mandate of EVE. The representative of EU introduced WP.29-164-07 expressing concerns on the drafted mandate in ECE/TRANS/WP.29/2014/88.
128. The representative of Canada stated that EVE had taken note of the content of WP.29-164-17 and that WP.29-164-15 included the corresponding amendments. The representative of EU agreed with the draft proposal as amended WP.29-164-15. AC.3 adopted ECE/TRANS/WP.29/2014/88 as amended by WP.29-164-15 and requested the secretariat to prepare the corresponding AC.3 document.
Mr. Olechiw introduced the topic using document EVE-12-14e and by reviewing the text of the EV Guide (ECE/TRANS/WP.29/2014/81). A scope of work for the topic area was not presented; rather, using document EVE-12-05e, Japan informed the group that this issue should not be pursued by the EVE IWG, as it is or could be explored by other GRPE working groups (i.e. WLTP IWG). Referencing documents EVE-11-08e, 09e, 10e, and EVE-12-06e, the European Commission agreed with this position.
Mr. Per Ohlund presented EVE-12-07e, which detailed current EV work ongoing in the WLTP IWG. The WLTP IWG is currently in phase 1b of work and the future EV issues to be covered by the group in future work (phase 2 and 3) have not been decided by the group; also, phase 2 is not anticipated to start within the next year. There was disagreement among the group as to whether some topics proposed for investigation under this topic by the EVE IWG would be covered by future WLTP IWG. Mr. Olechiw requested the group to consider whether the EVE IWG could assist the WLTP IWG by conducting some EV-related work between now and the beginning of phase 2.
Overall, the majority of the group agreed the topic should not be part of the new EVE mandate and no party/organization volunteered to lead the topic. Mr. Olechiw requested the group revisit this decision on Day 2 of the meeting under agenda item 9.
Document EVE-12-06e, submitted by the European Commission, was not discussed in detail as the author was not present at the meeting, so it was recommended to add this document to the agenda of the next EVE meeting.
ACTION 2: The EVE Secretariat will add document EVE-12-06e to the agenda of the next EVE meeting.
Mr. Olechiw introduced the topic using document EVE-12-08e-Rev1 and by reviewing the text of the EV Guide (ECE/TRANS/WP.29/2014/81); Mr. Claude Chanson (Recharge) and Ms. Marchington also assisted in presentation EVE-12-08e-Rev1. The proposed scope of work would first establish a definition of battery durability, identify factors that affect battery durability, and then potentially design an appropriate test program for evaluating battery durability. During discussion, it was emphasized that when test cycles and procedures are considered, those developed by the WLTP IWG would form the basis for work.
Discussion under this item focused on whether future work would focus on the battery component or the whole EV; Mr. Olechiw informed the group that this would be a vehicle-level issue, illustrating with the concept that durability of an EV battery has a critical influence on vehicle emissions. There was some discussion that if this work was based on the whole vehicle, it also may best be pursued by the WLTP IWG, which was supported by Japan; however, the group could not comment on whether the WLTP IWG would address this issue.
Mr. Olechiw requested the group revisit this decision on Day 2 of the meeting under agenda item 9, indicating that USA and Canada have a strong interest in pursuing work in this area.
Mr. Olechiw introduced the topic using document EVE-12-14e and by reviewing the text of the EV Guide (ECE/TRANS/WP.29/2014/81). The group was reminded that, as the EV Guide states, battery recycling is not under the mandate of WP.29, but battery recyclability issues could be considered. Japan informed the group they do not support recycling or recyclability issues for discussion in the WP.29 forum.
A scope of work for the topic area was not presented; Mr. Klaus Putzhammer (OICA/Adam Opel AG) presented on “Regulation and Recycling and Recyclability”, with a focus on European legislation (EVE-12-09e). There was an emphasis on the capability of current battery recycling practices, which some in the group believed then meant that investigating battery recyclability was not required. Mr. Olechiw suggested that there could be some benefit from sharing the European Commission’s successful legislative battery recyclability practices with those worldwide.
Mr. Olechiw requested the group revisit this decision on Day 2 of the meeting under agenda item 9 and no party/organization volunteered to lead the topic.
Mr. Olechiw introduced the topic by reviewing the text of the EV Guide (ECE/TRANS/WP.29/2014/81) and China presented on their proposed scope of work for the topic using document EVE-12-10e-Rev1; China emphasized that determining the proper expression method for energy consumption was very needed. To carry out research related to this topic, they proposed three steps: 1) complete a study on the EV energy consumption evaluation method to be executed by main countries, 2) build a database and conduct comparative analysis on the energy structure for main countries worldwide, and 3) discuss the necessity and possibility to standardize the energy consumption method.
Discussion focused on whether this topic is suitable for exploration under the WP.29 forum and if contracting parties have the appropriate experts to complete work required for this topic. Referencing documents EVE-11-08e, 09e, 10e, and EVE-12-06e, the European Commission indicated it was their preference that work not be pursued on this topic in the new EVE mandate and Japan supported this position.
Understanding that China is supportive of this work, Mr. Olechiw requested the group consider the option of keeping this topic area in the new EVE mandate, but removing it from consideration for future GTR development. There was general support expressed by the group for this option and Mr. Olechiw requested the group revisit this decision under agenda item 9. There was some discussion concerning the possibility of developing a technical report, which could be added into the SR1 and/or RE3 documents; parties agreed to consider this and discuss it further at the next EVE meeting.
ACTION 3: Concerning future work under Topic 2, the EVE group will consider the development of a technical report that could be added into the SR1 and/or RE3 documents and discuss further at the next EVE meeting.
Mr. Olechiw introduced the topic by reviewing the text of the EV Guide (ECE/TRANS/WP.29/2014/81). Mr. Hans Holdik presented the proposed scope of work for the topic using document EVE-12-04e-Rev1 on behalf of Germany and Korea. Understanding that there are no UN, USA or Japanese regulations that define light duty hybrid system power, the scope of work under this topic was proposed to cover light duty vehicles and performance criteria would be power and torque as a function of speed. Several options for pursuing the work were presented, including amending UN Regulation 85, developing a recommendation under RE3 or SR1, and/or developing a new GTR.
During the discussion, Japan clarified that they do not require power determination in their regulatory system. The European Commission clarified that it would be very useful to have one definition of power and that the EPPR IWG are developing such a definition for L-category vehicles. There was some discussion as to why this work is not pursued by the WLTP IWG, although most of the group was supportive of the EVE IWG carrying out this work. The question of whether or not the work should be carried out under the 1998 or 1958 Agreement was also discussed but not decided.
Overall, the majority of the group agreed the topic should be part of the new EVE mandate and Mr. Olechiw requested the group revisit this decision under agenda item 9.
Mr. Michael Olechiw, Chair of the informal working group, welcomed participants to the meeting. The meeting was well attended, with over 20 participants from contracting parties, other WP.29 working groups, and industry organizations. In addition to Mr. Olechiw, Ms. Marchington (acting Secretary), Mr. Narusawa (Co-Chair), and Ms. Chunmei (Co-Chair, participated by phone) were present at the meeting.
Mr. Olechiw outlined the objective for the 12th EVE meeting, which was to build on discussion during the 11th EVE meeting and continue initiating work on Part A of the new EVE mandate. The goals of the meeting were to: 1) outline concepts for each topic area of the new EVE mandate, 2) finalize proposed changes to the new EVE mandate text if needed (ECE/TRANS/WP.29/2014/88), ahead of the WP.29 November meeting, and 3) finalize the approach for Part A of the new EVE mandate outlined in the ‘path forward’ document (EVE-11-03e-Rev1).
The agenda for the meeting (EVE-12-02e-Rev1) was reviewed and accepted by all participants.
Speaking to agenda item 2, Ms. Marchington reviewed document EVE-11-13e. The EVE group was reminded of the two goals of the EVE-11 meeting, which were to discuss comments received on the path forward document (EVE-11-03e) and, if possible, confirm leads for topic areas of the new EVE mandate. The meeting was successful in that all EVE-11-03e comments received were presented and discussion of those comments was to be continued during the EVE-12 meeting. Also, for each topic area of the new EVE mandate, a party/organization volunteered to lead discussion during the EVE-12 meeting.
Ms. Marchington reviewed the status of the EVE-11 action items. Of the 18 action items, 17 were directly related to the EVE-12 meeting and therefore would be completed once the meeting had occurred. The remaining action item is ongoing and depended on the outcome of the EVE-12 meeting:
ACTION 1 (EVE-11 Action 17, ongoing): The EVE Secretary will complete minor revisions (if needed) to ECE/TRANS/WP.29/2014/88 after the EVE-12 meeting, prior to the November 2014 WP.29 meeting.
To summarize the discussion of agenda items 4-8, Mr. Olechiw presented document EVE-12-11e, which presents the five topics under consideration for the new EVE mandate, major discussion points, and three options: maintain in the EVE mandate, modify in the EVE mandate, or remove from the EVE mandate. For each topic, the group discussed the options and decided on the preferable outcome (highlighted in red text in the document). The outcome of this discussion is summarized as follows:
Based on the above discussion, the EVE group considered the European Commission’s proposed changes (EVE-11-09e) to the new EVE mandate (ECE/TRANS/WP.29/2014/88). In preparation for the November 2014 WP.29 session and anticipated approval of ECE/TRANS/WP.29/2014/88, a new EVE-12 informal document (EVE-12-12e) was drafted. The EVE group agreed in principle to the changes presented in EVE-12-12e, but were requested to provide any further comments to the EVE Secretariat November 4, 2014. The intention of the EVE Secretariat was then to submit EVE-12-12e to the November WP.29 session as an informal document that would amend (ECE/TRANS/WP.29/2014/88).
ACTION 4: The EVE group will provide feedback to the EVE Secretariat on EVE-12-12e by November 4, 2014.
ACTION 5: The EVE Secretariat will submit EVE-12-12e as an informal document for consideration by WP.29 with ECE/TRANS/WP.29/2014/88.
Following on the above, the group initiated discussion on the path forward document (EVE-11-03e-Rev1). However, due to a lack of time, it was decided that this document, along with the European Commission’s comments (EVE-11-10e) would be further discussed at the next meeting. The EVE Secretary agreed to edit the document to incorporate the changes to the new EVE mandate outlined in EVE-12-12e.
ACTION 6: The EVE Secretariat will edit document EVE-11-03e-Rev1 to incorporate the changes to the new EVE mandate outlined in EVE-12-12e and add this issue to the next EVE meeting agenda.
Mr. Olechiw introduced the topic using document EVE-12-14e and by reviewing the text of the EV Guide (ECE/TRANS/WP.29/2014/81). A scope of work for the topic area was not presented; rather, using document EVE-12-05e, Japan informed the group that this issue should not be pursued by the EVE IWG, as it is or could be explored by other GRPE working groups (i.e. WLTP IWG). Referencing documents EVE-11-08e, 09e, 10e, and EVE-12-06e, the European Commission agreed with this position.
Mr. Per Ohlund presented EVE-12-07e, which detailed current EV work ongoing in the WLTP IWG. The WLTP IWG is currently in phase 1b of work and the future EV issues to be covered by the group in future work (phase 2 and 3) have not been decided by the group; also, phase 2 is not anticipated to start within the next year. There was disagreement among the group as to whether some topics proposed for investigation under this topic by the EVE IWG would be covered by future WLTP IWG. Mr. Olechiw requested the group to consider whether the EVE IWG could assist the WLTP IWG by conducting some EV-related work between now and the beginning of phase 2.
Overall, the majority of the group agreed the topic should not be part of the new EVE mandate and no party/organization volunteered to lead the topic. Mr. Olechiw requested the group revisit this decision on Day 2 of the meeting under agenda item 9.
Document EVE-12-06e, submitted by the European Commission, was not discussed in detail as the author was not present at the meeting, so it was recommended to add this document to the agenda of the next EVE meeting.
ACTION 2: The EVE Secretariat will add document EVE-12-06e to the agenda of the next EVE meeting.
Mr. Olechiw introduced the topic by reviewing the text of the EV Guide (ECE/TRANS/WP.29/2014/81) and China presented on their proposed scope of work for the topic using document EVE-12-10e-Rev1; China emphasized that determining the proper expression method for energy consumption was very needed. To carry out research related to this topic, they proposed three steps: 1) complete a study on the EV energy consumption evaluation method to be executed by main countries, 2) build a database and conduct comparative analysis on the energy structure for main countries worldwide, and 3) discuss the necessity and possibility to standardize the energy consumption method.
Discussion focused on whether this topic is suitable for exploration under the WP.29 forum and if contracting parties have the appropriate experts to complete work required for this topic. Referencing documents EVE-11-08e, 09e, 10e, and EVE-12-06e, the European Commission indicated it was their preference that work not be pursued on this topic in the new EVE mandate and Japan supported this position.
Understanding that China is supportive of this work, Mr. Olechiw requested the group consider the option of keeping this topic area in the new EVE mandate, but removing it from consideration for future GTR development. There was general support expressed by the group for this option and Mr. Olechiw requested the group revisit this decision under agenda item 9. There was some discussion concerning the possibility of developing a technical report, which could be added into the SR1 and/or RE3 documents; parties agreed to consider this and discuss it further at the next EVE meeting.
ACTION 3: Concerning future work under Topic 2, the EVE group will consider the development of a technical report that could be added into the SR1 and/or RE3 documents and discuss further at the next EVE meeting.
Mr. Olechiw introduced the topic using document EVE-12-14e and by reviewing the text of the EV Guide (ECE/TRANS/WP.29/2014/81). A scope of work for the topic area was not presented; rather, using document EVE-12-05e, Japan informed the group that this issue should not be pursued by the EVE IWG, as it is or could be explored by other GRPE working groups (i.e. WLTP IWG). Referencing documents EVE-11-08e, 09e, 10e, and EVE-12-06e, the European Commission agreed with this position.
Mr. Per Ohlund presented EVE-12-07e, which detailed current EV work ongoing in the WLTP IWG. The WLTP IWG is currently in phase 1b of work and the future EV issues to be covered by the group in future work (phase 2 and 3) have not been decided by the group; also, phase 2 is not anticipated to start within the next year. There was disagreement among the group as to whether some topics proposed for investigation under this topic by the EVE IWG would be covered by future WLTP IWG. Mr. Olechiw requested the group to consider whether the EVE IWG could assist the WLTP IWG by conducting some EV-related work between now and the beginning of phase 2.
Overall, the majority of the group agreed the topic should not be part of the new EVE mandate and no party/organization volunteered to lead the topic. Mr. Olechiw requested the group revisit this decision on Day 2 of the meeting under agenda item 9.
Document EVE-12-06e, submitted by the European Commission, was not discussed in detail as the author was not present at the meeting, so it was recommended to add this document to the agenda of the next EVE meeting.
ACTION 2: The EVE Secretariat will add document EVE-12-06e to the agenda of the next EVE meeting.
Mr. Olechiw introduced the topic by reviewing the text of the EV Guide (ECE/TRANS/WP.29/2014/81) and China presented on their proposed scope of work for the topic using document EVE-12-10e-Rev1; China emphasized that determining the proper expression method for energy consumption was very needed. To carry out research related to this topic, they proposed three steps: 1) complete a study on the EV energy consumption evaluation method to be executed by main countries, 2) build a database and conduct comparative analysis on the energy structure for main countries worldwide, and 3) discuss the necessity and possibility to standardize the energy consumption method.
Discussion focused on whether this topic is suitable for exploration under the WP.29 forum and if contracting parties have the appropriate experts to complete work required for this topic. Referencing documents EVE-11-08e, 09e, 10e, and EVE-12-06e, the European Commission indicated it was their preference that work not be pursued on this topic in the new EVE mandate and Japan supported this position.
Understanding that China is supportive of this work, Mr. Olechiw requested the group consider the option of keeping this topic area in the new EVE mandate, but removing it from consideration for future GTR development. There was general support expressed by the group for this option and Mr. Olechiw requested the group revisit this decision under agenda item 9. There was some discussion concerning the possibility of developing a technical report, which could be added into the SR1 and/or RE3 documents; parties agreed to consider this and discuss it further at the next EVE meeting.
ACTION 3: Concerning future work under Topic 2, the EVE group will consider the development of a technical report that could be added into the SR1 and/or RE3 documents and discuss further at the next EVE meeting.
To summarize the discussion of agenda items 4-8, Mr. Olechiw presented document EVE-12-11e, which presents the five topics under consideration for the new EVE mandate, major discussion points, and three options: maintain in the EVE mandate, modify in the EVE mandate, or remove from the EVE mandate. For each topic, the group discussed the options and decided on the preferable outcome (highlighted in red text in the document). The outcome of this discussion is summarized as follows:
Based on the above discussion, the EVE group considered the European Commission’s proposed changes (EVE-11-09e) to the new EVE mandate (ECE/TRANS/WP.29/2014/88). In preparation for the November 2014 WP.29 session and anticipated approval of ECE/TRANS/WP.29/2014/88, a new EVE-12 informal document (EVE-12-12e) was drafted. The EVE group agreed in principle to the changes presented in EVE-12-12e, but were requested to provide any further comments to the EVE Secretariat November 4, 2014. The intention of the EVE Secretariat was then to submit EVE-12-12e to the November WP.29 session as an informal document that would amend (ECE/TRANS/WP.29/2014/88).
ACTION 4: The EVE group will provide feedback to the EVE Secretariat on EVE-12-12e by November 4, 2014.
ACTION 5: The EVE Secretariat will submit EVE-12-12e as an informal document for consideration by WP.29 with ECE/TRANS/WP.29/2014/88.
Following on the above, the group initiated discussion on the path forward document (EVE-11-03e-Rev1). However, due to a lack of time, it was decided that this document, along with the European Commission’s comments (EVE-11-10e) would be further discussed at the next meeting. The EVE Secretary agreed to edit the document to incorporate the changes to the new EVE mandate outlined in EVE-12-12e.
ACTION 6: The EVE Secretariat will edit document EVE-11-03e-Rev1 to incorporate the changes to the new EVE mandate outlined in EVE-12-12e and add this issue to the next EVE meeting agenda.
Speaking to agenda item 2, Ms. Marchington reviewed two decisions from the 164th WP.29 meeting relevant to the EVE group: 1) the new EVE mandate, ECE/TRANS/WP.29/2014/88 as amended by WP.29-164-15, was approved, and 2) the final version of the EVE reference Guide, ECE/TRANS/WP.29/2014/81, was also approved.
Concerning the Guide, the WP.29 Secretariat requested the EVE group to consider how the Guide should be filed on the UNECE website and presented two proposals: 1) The Guide could receive a new document number and be placed in the folder “Final documents”; or, 2) The Guide could be kept with the current symbol and be placed under “Reference material”, as well as on the homepage of WP.29 website. No preference for either proposal was expressed by the EVE group. The EVE leadership expressed a preference for option 2 and committed to following up with the WP.29 Secretariat.
ACTION 1: The EVE Secretary will inform the WP.29 Secretariat that the second proposal for filing the Guide on the UNECE website is preferable.
Speaking to agenda item 2, Ms. Marchington reviewed two decisions from the 164th WP.29 meeting relevant to the EVE group: 1) the new EVE mandate, ECE/TRANS/WP.29/2014/88 as amended by WP.29-164-15, was approved, and 2) the final version of the EVE reference Guide, ECE/TRANS/WP.29/2014/81, was also approved.
Concerning the Guide, the WP.29 Secretariat requested the EVE group to consider how the Guide should be filed on the UNECE website and presented two proposals: 1) The Guide could receive a new document number and be placed in the folder “Final documents”; or, 2) The Guide could be kept with the current symbol and be placed under “Reference material”, as well as on the homepage of WP.29 website. No preference for either proposal was expressed by the EVE group. The EVE leadership expressed a preference for option 2 and committed to following up with the WP.29 Secretariat.
ACTION 1: The EVE Secretary will inform the WP.29 Secretariat that the second proposal for filing the Guide on the UNECE website is preferable.
Mr. Olechiw introduced document EVE-13-06e, which details a roadmap for Part A of the new EVE mandate. He explained to the group that the roadmap was drafted using information from the new EVE mandate document (ECE/TRANS/WP.29/2014/88 as amended by WP.29-164-15) and that it will be adjusted to include the work plans presented during agenda item 5. The future EVE meetings planned for Part A of the roadmap were also discussed. The EVE-14 meeting was proposed to be either a face-to-face meeting in Ottawa or a video-conference meeting; there was no preference expressed by the group, so the EVE leadership will continue to discuss these options. The EVE group was requested to avoid the first two weeks of April for the EVE-14 meeting, due to the Easter holiday and a WLTP IWG meeting. Also, the fall EVE-16 meeting could also be a face-to-face meeting and is tentatively scheduled to be hosted by China; confirmation of this meeting location and date will be completed at the next EVE meeting. Concerning the informal GRPE discussion on the workplan and requests for GTR development, the GRPE Secretariat confirmed that informal approval by GRPE (scheduled for June 2016) was sufficient.
ACTION 9: The EVE leadership will determine the location (Ottawa or video-conference) and date of the EVE-14 meeting and communicate this to the EVE group by early February 2015.
ACTION 9: The EVE group will continue to discuss the location and timing of the EVE-16 meeting and confirm the details during the EVE-14 meeting.
ACTION 10: The EVE Secretary will adjust the roadmap (EVE-13-06e) to include the workplans presented during agenda item 5.
ACTION 11: The EVE Secretary will revise and post the draft agenda and related documents for the EVE-14 meeting on the UNECE EVE website.
91. The Chair of WP.29 recalled that WP.29/AC.3 had adopted the Electric Vehicle Reference Guide during its November 2014 session and had requested the secretariat, together with the lead team of EVE, to determine how to label and locate the document on the UNECE website. The secretary of GRPE informed the World Forum about the solution proposed to publish the adopted Electric Vehicle Reference Guide on the homepage of the UNECE/WP.29 website in the Reference Material section. WP.29 supported it.