11. The expert from OICA presented GRVA-09-10, a document tabled by CLEPA and OICA, on certification of automated vehicles. He stated that the ideas proposed in the presentation were suitable for both the 1958 and 1998 Agreements, type approval and self-certification and were not in contradiction with the activities under the IWGs on FRAV and VMAD. He explained that the ADS certification could be based on two tools: (a) the Automated Driving Management System dealing with the capability of a manufacturer to develop, validate, verify and maintain ADS in the field by evaluating its processes regarding risk assessment and treatment, validation and verification, and field monitoring and response; (b) the ADS Validation dealing with scenario based ADS validation approach with flexible testing configurations using virtual, physical and real-world test methods as well as safety assessments to cover the safety aspects of complex electronic ADS. GRVA agreed to further discuss the ideas proposed in this document.