6 June
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Agenda for the 32nd PTI informal group session
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Date: 06 Jun 23
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2023-06-06 |
2023-06-06 13:10:38 UTC |
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11 May
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Minutes of the 31st PTI informal group session
Minutes of the 31st PTI informal group session
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Date: 11 May 23
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2023-05-11 |
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14 April
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Agenda for the 31st PTI informal group session
Agenda for the 31st PTI informal group session
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Date: 14 Apr 23
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22 February
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Minutes of the 29th PTI informal group session
Minutes of the 29th PTI informal group session
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Date: 22 Feb 23
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2023-02-22 |
2023-02-22 18:16:14 UTC |
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7 Sep 2022
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Minutes of the 27th PTI informal group session
Minutes of the 27th PTI informal group session
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Date: 07 Sep 22
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2022-09-07 |
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31 May 2022
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Minutes of the 27th PTI informal group session
Minutes of the 27th PTI informal group session
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Date: 31 May 22
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2022-05-31 |
2022-07-11 17:28:07 UTC |
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6 May 2015
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Comments on the proposed draft 01 series of amendments to Regulation No. 39 (India)
Comments on the proposed draft 01 series of amendments to Regulation No. 39
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Description
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India comments raising concerns over the feasibility of the proposal to combat odometer fraud in used car sales.
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Submitted by: India
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Date: 05 May 15
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GRSG/2015/16 | Proposal for draft 01 series of amendments to Regulation No. 39
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16. The expert from FIA gave a presentation (GRSG-108-37) justifying the need for protection against mileage fraud and proposing to set up an informal working group on this subject. He presented ECE/TRANS/WP.29/GRSG/2015/16 proposing further amendments to the proposal submitted by Belgium and inserting a reference to the common criteria published in ISO/IEC 15408 (GRSG-108-06). He concluded that the common criteria would result in a higher level of stringency in the security requirements for odometers and thus improve the protection of odometers against mileage fraud. The expert from India raised concerns (GRSG-108-39) to the proposal from FIA. The expert from OICA introduced GRSG-108-38 clarifying the subject and presenting the concerns of the automotive industry to the proposal from FIA. GRSG experts were invited to send their comments to the expert from FIA. GRSG did not support the adoption of the proposal but agreed to keep ECE/TRANS/WP.29/GRSG/2015/16 and GRSG-108-38 on its agenda as a reference document for further consideration at its next session.
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GRSG-108-39
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2015-05-06 |
2015-05-06 10:20:10 UTC |
GRSG-108-0039
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6 May 2015
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Comments on the proposed draft 01 series of amendments to Regulation No. 39 (OICA)
Comments on the proposed draft 01 series of amendments to Regulation No. 39
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Description
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OICA comments expressing opposition to the proposed measures to combat odometer fraud in the used vehicle market.
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Submitted by: OICA
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Date: 05 May 15
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GRSG/2015/16 | Proposal for draft 01 series of amendments to Regulation No. 39
GRSG-109-04 | Comments on informal document GRSG-108-38 on Regulation No. 39
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16. The expert from FIA gave a presentation (GRSG-108-37) justifying the need for protection against mileage fraud and proposing to set up an informal working group on this subject. He presented ECE/TRANS/WP.29/GRSG/2015/16 proposing further amendments to the proposal submitted by Belgium and inserting a reference to the common criteria published in ISO/IEC 15408 (GRSG-108-06). He concluded that the common criteria would result in a higher level of stringency in the security requirements for odometers and thus improve the protection of odometers against mileage fraud. The expert from India raised concerns (GRSG-108-39) to the proposal from FIA. The expert from OICA introduced GRSG-108-38 clarifying the subject and presenting the concerns of the automotive industry to the proposal from FIA. GRSG experts were invited to send their comments to the expert from FIA. GRSG did not support the adoption of the proposal but agreed to keep ECE/TRANS/WP.29/GRSG/2015/16 and GRSG-108-38 on its agenda as a reference document for further consideration at its next session.
17. Referring to the role of his organization, the expert from FIA recalled the purpose of ECE/TRANS/WP.29/GRSG/2015/16 proposing further provisions on the protection against mileage fraud. He introduced GRSG-109-04 justifying the need to establish an informal working group (IWG) on anti-tampering measures for electronic vehicle interfaces, such as odometer, and underlining the need to cope, in a more general manner, with risks of in-vehicle technologies and cyber security. His proposal to set up an IWG received the support of a number of experts. However, some other experts felt it was too premature to set up such an IWG as WP.29 already established, under its IWG on Intelligent Transport Systems (ITS), a subgroup on “Automated Driving” dealing with this subject among others. Therefore, they preferred to start on the basis of an expert group first. The expert from FIA volunteered to organize in the near future a Task Force meeting in Paris. Thus, he invited all interested experts to contact him (lpascotto@fia.com).
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GRSG-108-38
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2015-05-06 |
2015-05-06 09:47:15 UTC |
GRSG-108-0038
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5 May 2015
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Protection against mileage fraud by common criteria (FIA Foundation)
Protection against mileage fraud by common criteria
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Submitted by: FIA Foundation
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Date: 04 May 15
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GRSG-108-37
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2015-05-05 |
2015-05-05 05:33:46 UTC |
GRSG-108-0037
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4 May 2015
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Corrigendum to the proposals for the draft 01 series of amendments to Regulation No. 39
Corrigendum to the proposals for the draft 01 series of amendments to Regulation No. 39
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Description
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Proposal from the GRSG secretariat to correct the definition of “Odometer” in documents GRSG/2015/15 and GRSG/2015/16.
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Date: 01 May 15
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Status: Superseded
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GRSG/2015/15 | Proposal for draft 01 series of amendments to Regulation No. 39
GRSG/2015/16 | Proposal for draft 01 series of amendments to Regulation No. 39
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14. The expert from Belgium introduced ECE/TRANS/WP.29/GRSG/2015/15, as amended by GRSG-108-30, proposing to insert new provisions for the installation of odometers on vehicles. GRSG noted general support on the proposal.
15. Following the discussion, GRSG adopted ECE/TRANS/WP.29/GRSG/2015/15, as amended below, and requested the secretariat to submit it to WP.29 and the Administrative Committee of the 1958 Agreement (AC.1) for consideration at their November 2015 sessions, as draft 01 series of amendments to UN Regulation No. 39.
Paragraph 2.6., correct “information equipment” to read “odometer equipment”.
Paragraph 5.5.1., correct “odometer may be” to read “odometer shall be”.
16. The expert from FIA gave a presentation (GRSG-108-37) justifying the need for protection against mileage fraud and proposing to set up an informal working group on this subject. He presented ECE/TRANS/WP.29/GRSG/2015/16 proposing further amendments to the proposal submitted by Belgium and inserting a reference to the common criteria published in ISO/IEC 15408 (GRSG-108-06). He concluded that the common criteria would result in a higher level of stringency in the security requirements for odometers and thus improve the protection of odometers against mileage fraud. The expert from India raised concerns (GRSG-108-39) to the proposal from FIA. The expert from OICA introduced GRSG-108-38 clarifying the subject and presenting the concerns of the automotive industry to the proposal from FIA. GRSG experts were invited to send their comments to the expert from FIA. GRSG did not support the adoption of the proposal but agreed to keep ECE/TRANS/WP.29/GRSG/2015/16 and GRSG-108-38 on its agenda as a reference document for further consideration at its next session.
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GRSG-108-30
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2015-05-04 |
2015-05-04 08:35:19 UTC |
GRSG-108-0030
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25 Feb 2015
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Proposal for draft 01 series of amendments to Regulation No. 39 (FIA Foundation)
Proposal for draft 01 series of amendments to Regulation No. 39
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Description
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Proposal to add anti-fraud provisions and test procedures to the Belgian proposal to include odometers under UN R39 (i.e., document GRSG/2015/15).
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Submitted by: FIA Foundation
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Date: 19 Feb 15
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Status: Not supported
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GRSG/2015/15 | Proposal for draft 01 series of amendments to Regulation No. 39
GRSG-108-30 | Corrigendum to the proposals for the draft 01 series of amendments to Regulation No. 39
GRSG-108-38 | Comments on the proposed draft 01 series of amendments to Regulation No. 39
GRSG-108-39 | Comments on the proposed draft 01 series of amendments to Regulation No. 39
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14. The expert from Belgium introduced ECE/TRANS/WP.29/GRSG/2015/15, as amended by GRSG-108-30, proposing to insert new provisions for the installation of odometers on vehicles. GRSG noted general support on the proposal.
15. Following the discussion, GRSG adopted ECE/TRANS/WP.29/GRSG/2015/15, as amended below, and requested the secretariat to submit it to WP.29 and the Administrative Committee of the 1958 Agreement (AC.1) for consideration at their November 2015 sessions, as draft 01 series of amendments to UN Regulation No. 39.
Paragraph 2.6., correct “information equipment” to read “odometer equipment”.
Paragraph 5.5.1., correct “odometer may be” to read “odometer shall be”.
16. The expert from FIA gave a presentation (GRSG-108-37) justifying the need for protection against mileage fraud and proposing to set up an informal working group on this subject. He presented ECE/TRANS/WP.29/GRSG/2015/16 proposing further amendments to the proposal submitted by Belgium and inserting a reference to the common criteria published in ISO/IEC 15408 (GRSG-108-06). He concluded that the common criteria would result in a higher level of stringency in the security requirements for odometers and thus improve the protection of odometers against mileage fraud. The expert from India raised concerns (GRSG-108-39) to the proposal from FIA. The expert from OICA introduced GRSG-108-38 clarifying the subject and presenting the concerns of the automotive industry to the proposal from FIA. GRSG experts were invited to send their comments to the expert from FIA. GRSG did not support the adoption of the proposal but agreed to keep ECE/TRANS/WP.29/GRSG/2015/16 and GRSG-108-38 on its agenda as a reference document for further consideration at its next session.
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GRSG/2015/16
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2015-02-25 |
2015-02-25 16:36:30 UTC |
GRSG/2015/0016
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25 Feb 2015
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Proposal for draft 01 series of amendments to Regulation No. 39 (Belgium)
Proposal for draft 01 series of amendments to Regulation No. 39
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Description
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Proposal to insert performance requirements for the installation of odometers on vehicles.
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Submitted by: Belgium
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Date: 19 Feb 15
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Status: Superseded
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GRSG-107-29/Rev.1 | Proposal for draft amendments to Regulation No. 39
GRSG/2014/32 | Proposal for amendments to Regulation No. 39
GRSG/2015/16 | Proposal for draft 01 series of amendments to Regulation No. 39
GRSG-108-30 | Corrigendum to the proposals for the draft 01 series of amendments to Regulation No. 39
WP.29/2015/83 | Proposal for the 01 series of amendments to Regulation No. 39
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10. The expert from Belgium introduced ECE/TRANS/WP.29/GRSG/2014/32, proposing new requirements for odometers into UN Regulation No. 39. She presented GRSG-107-29-Rev.1 amending her proposal to include the comments received by the expert from OICA (GRSG-107-20). GRSG supported in principle the proposal. However, there was a general agreement among experts that the mandatory fitting of odometers should be completed by transitional provisions, anti-tampering requirements and type approval markings. GRSG agreed to resume consideration on this subject at its May 2015 session on the basis of a revised proposal from the expert of Belgium and on a proposal of transitional provisions from the experts of OICA and IMMA.
14. The expert from Belgium introduced ECE/TRANS/WP.29/GRSG/2015/15, as amended by GRSG-108-30, proposing to insert new provisions for the installation of odometers on vehicles. GRSG noted general support on the proposal.
15. Following the discussion, GRSG adopted ECE/TRANS/WP.29/GRSG/2015/15, as amended below, and requested the secretariat to submit it to WP.29 and the Administrative Committee of the 1958 Agreement (AC.1) for consideration at their November 2015 sessions, as draft 01 series of amendments to UN Regulation No. 39.
Paragraph 2.6., correct “information equipment” to read “odometer equipment”.
Paragraph 5.5.1., correct “odometer may be” to read “odometer shall be”.
16. The expert from FIA gave a presentation (GRSG-108-37) justifying the need for protection against mileage fraud and proposing to set up an informal working group on this subject. He presented ECE/TRANS/WP.29/GRSG/2015/16 proposing further amendments to the proposal submitted by Belgium and inserting a reference to the common criteria published in ISO/IEC 15408 (GRSG-108-06). He concluded that the common criteria would result in a higher level of stringency in the security requirements for odometers and thus improve the protection of odometers against mileage fraud. The expert from India raised concerns (GRSG-108-39) to the proposal from FIA. The expert from OICA introduced GRSG-108-38 clarifying the subject and presenting the concerns of the automotive industry to the proposal from FIA. GRSG experts were invited to send their comments to the expert from FIA. GRSG did not support the adoption of the proposal but agreed to keep ECE/TRANS/WP.29/GRSG/2015/16 and GRSG-108-38 on its agenda as a reference document for further consideration at its next session.
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GRSG/2015/15
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2015-02-25 |
2015-02-25 16:26:41 UTC |
GRSG/2015/0015
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8 May 2014
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Protection Against Mileage Fraud (FIA Foundation)
Protection Against Mileage Fraud
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Description
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Presentation in support of the development of technical regulatory specifications to prevent odometer tampering.
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Submitted by: FIA Foundation
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Date: 07 May 14
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GRSG-106-37
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2014-05-08 |
2014-05-08 21:34:43 UTC |
GRSG-106-0037
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8 May 2014
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Proposal for draft amendments to Regulation No. 39 (Belgium)
Proposal for draft amendments to Regulation No. 39
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Description
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Presentation in support of the proposal to include odometer provisions in UN R39, including a review of references to odometers across other UN Regulations.
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Submitted by: Belgium
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Date: 08 May 14
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GRSG-104-14 | Proposal for a new regulation on odometer equipment including its installation
GRSG-106-06 | Proposal for draft amendments to Regulation No. 39
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48. The expert from Belgium proposed to develop new provisions concerning the approval of vehicles with regard to the odometer equipment and its installation (GRSG-104-14). GRSG noted a number of comments and concerns, as this subject seemed to be linked to consumer protection rather than to safety issues. The expert from Japan stated that in his country, only the presence of an odometer was regulated, without any performance requirements. Following the discussion, GRSG preferred to resume consideration at its next session in October 2013, on the basis of a concrete proposal by Belgium.
42. Recalling the discussion at the previous session of GRSG, the expert from Belgium gave a presentation (GRSG-106-36) on the need to set up new provisions on the odometer. He introduced GRSG-106-06 proposing draft amendments to be included into UN Regulation No. 39 on speedometers. The expert from FIA gave a demonstration on the easy manipulation of modern odometers (GRSG-106-37). He stressed the urgent need to set up anti-tampering measures for odometers. A number of experts were of the opinion that WP.29 should even develop some periodical technical inspection requirements for insertion into UN Rule No. 2 annexed to the 1997 Agreement.
43. GRSG welcomed the proposal by Belgium. GRSG noted general support but a number of Contracting Parties requested that the proposed amendments shall be supplemented with provisions for the mandatory installation of odometer on vehicles, including anti-tampering test requirements and transitional provisions. GRSG agreed to resume consideration of this subject at its next session in October 2014 on the basis of new proposal by Belgium, taking into account the comments received.
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GRSG-106-36
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2014-05-08 |
2014-05-08 18:43:22 UTC |
GRSG-106-0036
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9 Apr 2014
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Proposal for draft amendments to Regulation No. 39 (Belgium)
Proposal for draft amendments to Regulation No. 39
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Description
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Proposal to include odometers within the scope of Regulation No. 39 (as an alternative to the proposal in document GRSG-104-14 to develop a new regulation on the installation and performance of odometers).
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Submitted by: Belgium
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Date: 09 Apr 14
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Status: Superseded
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GRSG-104-14 | Proposal for a new regulation on odometer equipment including its installation
GRSG-106-36 | Proposal for draft amendments to Regulation No. 39
GRSG/2014/32 | Proposal for amendments to Regulation No. 39
GRSG-107-20 | Proposal for amendments to Regulation No. 39
Related discussions
48. The expert from Belgium proposed to develop new provisions concerning the approval of vehicles with regard to the odometer equipment and its installation (GRSG-104-14). GRSG noted a number of comments and concerns, as this subject seemed to be linked to consumer protection rather than to safety issues. The expert from Japan stated that in his country, only the presence of an odometer was regulated, without any performance requirements. Following the discussion, GRSG preferred to resume consideration at its next session in October 2013, on the basis of a concrete proposal by Belgium.
42. Recalling the discussion at the previous session of GRSG, the expert from Belgium gave a presentation (GRSG-106-36) on the need to set up new provisions on the odometer. He introduced GRSG-106-06 proposing draft amendments to be included into UN Regulation No. 39 on speedometers. The expert from FIA gave a demonstration on the easy manipulation of modern odometers (GRSG-106-37). He stressed the urgent need to set up anti-tampering measures for odometers. A number of experts were of the opinion that WP.29 should even develop some periodical technical inspection requirements for insertion into UN Rule No. 2 annexed to the 1997 Agreement.
43. GRSG welcomed the proposal by Belgium. GRSG noted general support but a number of Contracting Parties requested that the proposed amendments shall be supplemented with provisions for the mandatory installation of odometer on vehicles, including anti-tampering test requirements and transitional provisions. GRSG agreed to resume consideration of this subject at its next session in October 2014 on the basis of new proposal by Belgium, taking into account the comments received.
10. The expert from Belgium introduced ECE/TRANS/WP.29/GRSG/2014/32, proposing new requirements for odometers into UN Regulation No. 39. She presented GRSG-107-29-Rev.1 amending her proposal to include the comments received by the expert from OICA (GRSG-107-20). GRSG supported in principle the proposal. However, there was a general agreement among experts that the mandatory fitting of odometers should be completed by transitional provisions, anti-tampering requirements and type approval markings. GRSG agreed to resume consideration on this subject at its May 2015 session on the basis of a revised proposal from the expert of Belgium and on a proposal of transitional provisions from the experts of OICA and IMMA.
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GRSG-106-06
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2014-04-09 |
2014-04-08 22:33:52 UTC |
GRSG-106-0006
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9 Apr 2013
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Proposal for a new regulation on odometer equipment including its installation (Belgium)
Proposal for a new regulation on odometer equipment including its installation
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Description
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Proposal to set mandatory requirements for odometers installed in vehicles in order to address odometer use in vehicle maintenance and inspections and to combat odometer fraud in sales of used cars.
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Submitted by: Belgium
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Date: 09 Apr 13
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Status: Superseded
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GRSG-106-06 | Proposal for draft amendments to Regulation No. 39
GRSG-106-36 | Proposal for draft amendments to Regulation No. 39
Related discussions
42. Recalling the discussion at the previous session of GRSG, the expert from Belgium gave a presentation (GRSG-106-36) on the need to set up new provisions on the odometer. He introduced GRSG-106-06 proposing draft amendments to be included into UN Regulation No. 39 on speedometers. The expert from FIA gave a demonstration on the easy manipulation of modern odometers (GRSG-106-37). He stressed the urgent need to set up anti-tampering measures for odometers. A number of experts were of the opinion that WP.29 should even develop some periodical technical inspection requirements for insertion into UN Rule No. 2 annexed to the 1997 Agreement.
43. GRSG welcomed the proposal by Belgium. GRSG noted general support but a number of Contracting Parties requested that the proposed amendments shall be supplemented with provisions for the mandatory installation of odometer on vehicles, including anti-tampering test requirements and transitional provisions. GRSG agreed to resume consideration of this subject at its next session in October 2014 on the basis of new proposal by Belgium, taking into account the comments received.
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GRSG-104-14
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2013-04-09 |
2013-04-09 06:28:39 UTC |
GRSG-104-0014
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