Mr Broertjes noted that some discussion had already been covered under the previous agenda item. Regarding the vehicles geometries, he requested industry to provide some data on this. Mr Kinsky promised to bring this up with European manufacturers but he also pointed out that the design elements that are in question here are often just design elements without any influence. However, Mr Kinsky also suggested contacting the OICA secretariat to get the information above also from other regions.

Dr. Konosu pointed that he has concerns with high loads into the impactor outside the bumper corners and also with the injury levels outside today’s test zones. Do they indeed provide for the need to increase the test zones? Mr Broertjes replied that this is a valuable question and that the result of the study may also be that no changes to the test areas are needed. However, for the time being TRL will consider these questions during their work.

Mr Kinsky added again that the physical abilities of the impactors are limited. Those limitations need to be considered for the test procedure since they may limit manufacturers’ abilities to reliably design their vehicles towards changed/new requirements. This was also a reason why, in the IG GTR9-PH2 discussion, the proposal of BASt to test the whole vehicle width (just excluding the mirrors) was rejected by industry. Mr Zander replied that their proposal was just to assess the whole width but not necessarily to test the whole width.

Mr Thedinga wondered whether J-NCAP could also provide data from their testing with the FlexPLI since the J-NCAP test procedure also foresees testing outside the bumper corners.

Dr. Konosu confirmed this testing outside the bumper corners and offered on request to contact NASVAC, the organisation conducting the J-NCAP testing, whether they can provide respective data.

Mr Broertjes also wondered whether US government and manufacturers could also contribute to the discussion. Ms Versailles confirmed that NHTSA is currently conducting legform testing and promised to double-check, also with the Alliance, which contribution may be possible.

Mr Broertjes finally promised that the discussion above will be considered in the EC study.