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Document Title | Comments on the document GRPE-63-06-Rev. 1 | ||||||||
Reference Number | GFV-18-05 | ||||||||
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12 Mar 2012
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Summary | Comments from Poland on the Gaseous Fueled Vehicles (GFV) informal group proposal to redefine the class of bi-fuel vehicles under UN R115 in order to permit the simultaneous use of gas and petrol while in gas mode. | ||||||||
Source(s) | Poland | ||||||||
Rulemaking Area(s) | UN R115 LPG/CNG Retrofit Systems | ||||||||
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GFV | Session 18 | 29 Feb 2012 |
Mr. Piccolo reminds the group that Mr. Radzimirski (Poland), in the GRPE January session and in subsequent documents circulated to the group, made two main remarks:
As for the first remark, Mr Piccolo stated that AEGPL shared the concern of Mr Radzimirski and, in principle, would keep the two regulations aligned. However, if the group agrees such a “decoupling” of the two proposals making R.115 more restrictive in comparison with R 83, AEGPL would not oppose it. Regarding Mr Radzimirski’s second remark, AEGPL asks the group and, in particular, NGVA Europe to specify some correction factors to the gas energy ratio in the case of testing with G25. Mr. Del Alamo (NGVA Europe) indicated that Fiat does not see the necessity of the amendment to R 83. Mr. Tappe (CLEPA/Bosch) suggested to leave to the discretion of the OEM’s the opportunity to use the two fuels, gas and petrol, in the most synergistic way for any type of engine system, be it a PSI or GDI. This is in line with a request for more flexibility made by OEM suppliers. OEMs, to respect the CO2 obligations, are forced to minimize the use of petrol and have no reason to misuse of petrol to fulfil the emission limits in the gas mode. That said, due to some safety concerns about the gas mass measurement by weighing, Mr Tappe asked the group to evaluate a different method based on petrol and gas ECU’s data, validated by a proper initial comparison with the official results coming from the application of FC (carbon balance) formulae. Mr. Castagnini (AEB) expressed concern that a change of this type would delay submitting the formal document. Hence, he suggests to add the new method proposed by CLEPA as an alternative. My Rijnders, taking into account the positions of the members, proposed to convert the present R.83 proposal (GRPE-63-05-Rev.1) into a formal document for the next GRPE session with no modifications. As for the R.115 proposal, the formal document based on the informal GRPE-63-06-Rev.1 will reflect the comment received by the Polish expert, in restricting the scope of the provision related to the 80% minimum limit for gas energy ratio only to vehicles with petrol direct injection engines. In addition, Mr. Rijnders asked Mr Tappe to provide an appropriate text containing provisions for an alternative method to weighing the mass of gas. This could possibly be included in an informal document to be submitted to the June 2012 GRPE by GFV. Furthermore, it is agreed that an adequate correction factor for G25 will be part of an informal document for the next GRPE session. The group agrees and provide for a consistent revision of GRPE-63-06-Rev.1. |
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