GTR 8: Proposal for Amendment 1
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Proposal to introduce provisions for recently developed steering systems that have significantly lower steering gear ratios (i.e. quick steering characteristics).

Reference Number: GRVA/2020/34
Origin: Korea
Date: 9 July 2020
Proposal Status: Withdrawn
Related Documents:
GRVA-05-11 | UN GTR 8: Proposal for amendment
GRVA-07-64 | GTR 8: Proposal for an amendment to document GRVA/2020/34
GRVA-11-41 | GTR 8: Reproduction of the proposal to amend GRVA-09-36 by Canada
GRVA/2022/12 | UN GTR8: Proposal for amendment to Amendment 1
WP.29/2020/99 | GTR 8: Request for authorization to develop an amendment
Discussion(s):
Working Party on Automated and Connected Vehicles | Session 7 | 21-25 Sep 2020

GRVA agreed to resume consideration of this agenda item dealing with UN GTR No. 8 (ESC) at its September 2021 session.

59. The expert from the Republic of Korea introduced ECE/TRANS/WP.29/GRVA/2020/34 proposed in accordance with ECE/TRANS/WP.29/2020/99 that provides the authorization to develop an amendment to UN Global Technical Regulation (UN GTR) No. 8. The experts from the USA inquired how the amendment to UN GTR No.8 would solve the issue raised. The expert from the Republic of Korea recalled the context of the proposal, addressing new steering systems with low gear rations. The expert from OICA recalled that this technical discussion took already place under the 1958 Agreement. The expert from Canada offered comments (GRVA-07-64) and questioned the need for a tolerance. He stated the need to verify the impact on safety of such proposal. The experts from the USA and the Netherlands advised to start future activities of this nature under the 1998 Agreement, first.

60. GRVA agreed to resume discussion on ECE/TRANS/WP.29/GRVA/2020/34 (or on a revised proposal) and on the report corresponding to this amendment at its next session.

83. The expert from Korea, technical sponsor to the amendment to UN GTR No. 8 (see ECE/TRANS/WP.29/2020/99), recalled the purpose of ECE/TRANS/WP.29/GRVA/2020/34 (as amended by GRVA-09-36), a revised proposal for amendment to UN GTR No. 8 aimed at accommodating new types of steering equipment, low gear systems, not being able to reach the 270 degrees request in the sine with dwell test.

84. GRVA noted the oral report from the expert from the Republic of Korea on their consultations with Canada and OICA regarding the amendment proposal to UN GTR No. 8.

85. The expert from Canada provided oral comments on the amendment proposal to the GTR, that the secretariat reproduced in GRVA-11-41.

86. GRVA agreed to resume consideration of this item at its next session.

95. The expert from Korea, technical sponsor to the amendment to UN GTR No. 8 (see ECE/TRANS/WP.29/2020/99), introduced GRVA-09-36 amending ECE/TRANS/WP.29/GRVA/2020/34, a revised proposal for amendment to UN GTR No. 8 aimed at accommodating new types of steering equipment, low gear systems, not being able to reach the 270 degree request in the sine with dwell test.

96. The expert from Canada expressed reservation with the revised proposal as it would still open the door to safety issues. He explained that the last paragraph of the amendment proposal should only belong to the test procedure and not to the requirement. He explained that this was up to the test facility or manufacturer to perform the test to reach the maximum operable steering angle without overshoot and not for the regulation to accommodate such overshooting risk with a tolerance.

97. GRVA requested the expert from Canada to work together with the expert from Korea so that progress could be achieved until the next session.

Working Party on Automated and Connected Vehicles | Session 9 | 1-5 Feb 2021

GRVA agreed to resume consideration of this agenda item dealing with UN GTR No. 8 (ESC) at its September 2021 session.

59. The expert from the Republic of Korea introduced ECE/TRANS/WP.29/GRVA/2020/34 proposed in accordance with ECE/TRANS/WP.29/2020/99 that provides the authorization to develop an amendment to UN Global Technical Regulation (UN GTR) No. 8. The experts from the USA inquired how the amendment to UN GTR No.8 would solve the issue raised. The expert from the Republic of Korea recalled the context of the proposal, addressing new steering systems with low gear rations. The expert from OICA recalled that this technical discussion took already place under the 1958 Agreement. The expert from Canada offered comments (GRVA-07-64) and questioned the need for a tolerance. He stated the need to verify the impact on safety of such proposal. The experts from the USA and the Netherlands advised to start future activities of this nature under the 1998 Agreement, first.

60. GRVA agreed to resume discussion on ECE/TRANS/WP.29/GRVA/2020/34 (or on a revised proposal) and on the report corresponding to this amendment at its next session.

83. The expert from Korea, technical sponsor to the amendment to UN GTR No. 8 (see ECE/TRANS/WP.29/2020/99), recalled the purpose of ECE/TRANS/WP.29/GRVA/2020/34 (as amended by GRVA-09-36), a revised proposal for amendment to UN GTR No. 8 aimed at accommodating new types of steering equipment, low gear systems, not being able to reach the 270 degrees request in the sine with dwell test.

84. GRVA noted the oral report from the expert from the Republic of Korea on their consultations with Canada and OICA regarding the amendment proposal to UN GTR No. 8.

85. The expert from Canada provided oral comments on the amendment proposal to the GTR, that the secretariat reproduced in GRVA-11-41.

86. GRVA agreed to resume consideration of this item at its next session.

95. The expert from Korea, technical sponsor to the amendment to UN GTR No. 8 (see ECE/TRANS/WP.29/2020/99), introduced GRVA-09-36 amending ECE/TRANS/WP.29/GRVA/2020/34, a revised proposal for amendment to UN GTR No. 8 aimed at accommodating new types of steering equipment, low gear systems, not being able to reach the 270 degree request in the sine with dwell test.

96. The expert from Canada expressed reservation with the revised proposal as it would still open the door to safety issues. He explained that the last paragraph of the amendment proposal should only belong to the test procedure and not to the requirement. He explained that this was up to the test facility or manufacturer to perform the test to reach the maximum operable steering angle without overshoot and not for the regulation to accommodate such overshooting risk with a tolerance.

97. GRVA requested the expert from Canada to work together with the expert from Korea so that progress could be achieved until the next session.

Working Party on Automated and Connected Vehicles | Session 10 | 25-28 May 2021

GRVA agreed to resume consideration of this agenda item dealing with UN GTR No. 8 (ESC) at its September 2021 session.

59. The expert from the Republic of Korea introduced ECE/TRANS/WP.29/GRVA/2020/34 proposed in accordance with ECE/TRANS/WP.29/2020/99 that provides the authorization to develop an amendment to UN Global Technical Regulation (UN GTR) No. 8. The experts from the USA inquired how the amendment to UN GTR No.8 would solve the issue raised. The expert from the Republic of Korea recalled the context of the proposal, addressing new steering systems with low gear rations. The expert from OICA recalled that this technical discussion took already place under the 1958 Agreement. The expert from Canada offered comments (GRVA-07-64) and questioned the need for a tolerance. He stated the need to verify the impact on safety of such proposal. The experts from the USA and the Netherlands advised to start future activities of this nature under the 1998 Agreement, first.

60. GRVA agreed to resume discussion on ECE/TRANS/WP.29/GRVA/2020/34 (or on a revised proposal) and on the report corresponding to this amendment at its next session.

83. The expert from Korea, technical sponsor to the amendment to UN GTR No. 8 (see ECE/TRANS/WP.29/2020/99), recalled the purpose of ECE/TRANS/WP.29/GRVA/2020/34 (as amended by GRVA-09-36), a revised proposal for amendment to UN GTR No. 8 aimed at accommodating new types of steering equipment, low gear systems, not being able to reach the 270 degrees request in the sine with dwell test.

84. GRVA noted the oral report from the expert from the Republic of Korea on their consultations with Canada and OICA regarding the amendment proposal to UN GTR No. 8.

85. The expert from Canada provided oral comments on the amendment proposal to the GTR, that the secretariat reproduced in GRVA-11-41.

86. GRVA agreed to resume consideration of this item at its next session.

95. The expert from Korea, technical sponsor to the amendment to UN GTR No. 8 (see ECE/TRANS/WP.29/2020/99), introduced GRVA-09-36 amending ECE/TRANS/WP.29/GRVA/2020/34, a revised proposal for amendment to UN GTR No. 8 aimed at accommodating new types of steering equipment, low gear systems, not being able to reach the 270 degree request in the sine with dwell test.

96. The expert from Canada expressed reservation with the revised proposal as it would still open the door to safety issues. He explained that the last paragraph of the amendment proposal should only belong to the test procedure and not to the requirement. He explained that this was up to the test facility or manufacturer to perform the test to reach the maximum operable steering angle without overshoot and not for the regulation to accommodate such overshooting risk with a tolerance.

97. GRVA requested the expert from Canada to work together with the expert from Korea so that progress could be achieved until the next session.

Working Party on Automated and Connected Vehicles | Session 11 | 27 Sep-1 Oct 2021

GRVA agreed to resume consideration of this agenda item dealing with UN GTR No. 8 (ESC) at its September 2021 session.

59. The expert from the Republic of Korea introduced ECE/TRANS/WP.29/GRVA/2020/34 proposed in accordance with ECE/TRANS/WP.29/2020/99 that provides the authorization to develop an amendment to UN Global Technical Regulation (UN GTR) No. 8. The experts from the USA inquired how the amendment to UN GTR No.8 would solve the issue raised. The expert from the Republic of Korea recalled the context of the proposal, addressing new steering systems with low gear rations. The expert from OICA recalled that this technical discussion took already place under the 1958 Agreement. The expert from Canada offered comments (GRVA-07-64) and questioned the need for a tolerance. He stated the need to verify the impact on safety of such proposal. The experts from the USA and the Netherlands advised to start future activities of this nature under the 1998 Agreement, first.

60. GRVA agreed to resume discussion on ECE/TRANS/WP.29/GRVA/2020/34 (or on a revised proposal) and on the report corresponding to this amendment at its next session.

83. The expert from Korea, technical sponsor to the amendment to UN GTR No. 8 (see ECE/TRANS/WP.29/2020/99), recalled the purpose of ECE/TRANS/WP.29/GRVA/2020/34 (as amended by GRVA-09-36), a revised proposal for amendment to UN GTR No. 8 aimed at accommodating new types of steering equipment, low gear systems, not being able to reach the 270 degrees request in the sine with dwell test.

84. GRVA noted the oral report from the expert from the Republic of Korea on their consultations with Canada and OICA regarding the amendment proposal to UN GTR No. 8.

85. The expert from Canada provided oral comments on the amendment proposal to the GTR, that the secretariat reproduced in GRVA-11-41.

86. GRVA agreed to resume consideration of this item at its next session.

95. The expert from Korea, technical sponsor to the amendment to UN GTR No. 8 (see ECE/TRANS/WP.29/2020/99), introduced GRVA-09-36 amending ECE/TRANS/WP.29/GRVA/2020/34, a revised proposal for amendment to UN GTR No. 8 aimed at accommodating new types of steering equipment, low gear systems, not being able to reach the 270 degree request in the sine with dwell test.

96. The expert from Canada expressed reservation with the revised proposal as it would still open the door to safety issues. He explained that the last paragraph of the amendment proposal should only belong to the test procedure and not to the requirement. He explained that this was up to the test facility or manufacturer to perform the test to reach the maximum operable steering angle without overshoot and not for the regulation to accommodate such overshooting risk with a tolerance.

97. GRVA requested the expert from Canada to work together with the expert from Korea so that progress could be achieved until the next session.