31 May 2022
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Minutes of the 27th PTI informal group session | PTI-27-04
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2022-05-31 |
2022-07-11 17:28:07 UTC |
6 May 2015
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Comments on the proposed draft 01 series of amendments to Regulation No. 39 | GRSG-108-39
Document Title: Comments on the proposed draft 01 series of amendments to Regulation No. 39
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Document Reference Number: GRSG-108-39
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Submitted by: India
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Meeting Session: 108th GRSG session (4-8
May 2015)
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India comments raising concerns over the feasibility of the proposal to combat odometer fraud in used car sales.
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This submission is related to the following document(s):
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Meeting Reports
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Working Party on General Safety | Session 108 | 4-8
May 2015
16. The expert from FIA gave a presentation (GRSG-108-37) justifying the need for protection against mileage fraud and proposing to set up an informal working group on this subject. He presented ECE/TRANS/WP.29/GRSG/2015/16 proposing further amendments to the proposal submitted by Belgium and inserting a reference to the common criteria published in ISO/IEC 15408 (GRSG-108-06). He concluded that the common criteria would result in a higher level of stringency in the security requirements for odometers and thus improve the protection of odometers against mileage fraud. The expert from India raised concerns (GRSG-108-39) to the proposal from FIA. The expert from OICA introduced GRSG-108-38 clarifying the subject and presenting the concerns of the automotive industry to the proposal from FIA. GRSG experts were invited to send their comments to the expert from FIA. GRSG did not support the adoption of the proposal but agreed to keep ECE/TRANS/WP.29/GRSG/2015/16 and GRSG-108-38 on its agenda as a reference document for further consideration at its next session.
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2015-05-06 |
2015-05-06 10:20:10 UTC |
6 May 2015
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Comments on the proposed draft 01 series of amendments to Regulation No. 39 | GRSG-108-38
Document Title: Comments on the proposed draft 01 series of amendments to Regulation No. 39
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Document Reference Number: GRSG-108-38
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Submitted by: OICA
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Meeting Session: 108th GRSG session (4-8
May 2015)
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OICA comments expressing opposition to the proposed measures to combat odometer fraud in the used vehicle market.
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This submission is related to the following document(s):
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Meeting Reports
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Working Party on General Safety | Session 108 | 4-8
May 2015
16. The expert from FIA gave a presentation (GRSG-108-37) justifying the need for protection against mileage fraud and proposing to set up an informal working group on this subject. He presented ECE/TRANS/WP.29/GRSG/2015/16 proposing further amendments to the proposal submitted by Belgium and inserting a reference to the common criteria published in ISO/IEC 15408 (GRSG-108-06). He concluded that the common criteria would result in a higher level of stringency in the security requirements for odometers and thus improve the protection of odometers against mileage fraud. The expert from India raised concerns (GRSG-108-39) to the proposal from FIA. The expert from OICA introduced GRSG-108-38 clarifying the subject and presenting the concerns of the automotive industry to the proposal from FIA. GRSG experts were invited to send their comments to the expert from FIA. GRSG did not support the adoption of the proposal but agreed to keep ECE/TRANS/WP.29/GRSG/2015/16 and GRSG-108-38 on its agenda as a reference document for further consideration at its next session.
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2015-05-06 |
2015-05-06 09:47:15 UTC |
5 May 2015
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Protection against mileage fraud by common criteria | GRSG-108-37
Document Title: Protection against mileage fraud by common criteria
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Document Reference Number: GRSG-108-37
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Submitted by: FIA Foundation
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Meeting Session: 108th GRSG session (4-8
May 2015)
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Meeting Reports
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Working Party on General Safety | Session 108 | 4-8
May 2015
16. The expert from FIA gave a presentation (GRSG-108-37) justifying the need for protection against mileage fraud and proposing to set up an informal working group on this subject. He presented ECE/TRANS/WP.29/GRSG/2015/16 proposing further amendments to the proposal submitted by Belgium and inserting a reference to the common criteria published in ISO/IEC 15408 (GRSG-108-06). He concluded that the common criteria would result in a higher level of stringency in the security requirements for odometers and thus improve the protection of odometers against mileage fraud. The expert from India raised concerns (GRSG-108-39) to the proposal from FIA. The expert from OICA introduced GRSG-108-38 clarifying the subject and presenting the concerns of the automotive industry to the proposal from FIA. GRSG experts were invited to send their comments to the expert from FIA. GRSG did not support the adoption of the proposal but agreed to keep ECE/TRANS/WP.29/GRSG/2015/16 and GRSG-108-38 on its agenda as a reference document for further consideration at its next session.
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2015-05-05 |
2015-05-05 05:33:46 UTC |
4 May 2015
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Corrigendum to the proposals for the draft 01 series of amendments to Regulation No. 39 | GRSG-108-30
Document Title: Corrigendum to the proposals for the draft 01 series of amendments to Regulation No. 39
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Document Reference Number: GRSG-108-30
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Meeting Session: 108th GRSG session (4-8
May 2015)
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Document status: Superseded
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Proposal from the GRSG secretariat to correct the definition of “Odometer” in documents GRSG/2015/15 and GRSG/2015/16.
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This submission is related to the following document(s):
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Meeting Reports
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Working Party on General Safety | Session 108 | 4-8
May 2015
14. The expert from Belgium introduced ECE/TRANS/WP.29/GRSG/2015/15, as amended by GRSG-108-30, proposing to insert new provisions for the installation of odometers on vehicles. GRSG noted general support on the proposal.
15. Following the discussion, GRSG adopted ECE/TRANS/WP.29/GRSG/2015/15, as amended below, and requested the secretariat to submit it to WP.29 and the Administrative Committee of the 1958 Agreement (AC.1) for consideration at their November 2015 sessions, as draft 01 series of amendments to UN Regulation No. 39.
Paragraph 2.6., correct “information equipment” to read “odometer equipment”.
Paragraph 5.5.1., correct “odometer may be” to read “odometer shall be”.
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2015-05-04 |
2015-05-04 08:35:19 UTC |
25 Feb 2015
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Proposal for draft 01 series of amendments to Regulation No. 39 | GRSG/2015/16
Document Title: Proposal for draft 01 series of amendments to Regulation No. 39
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Document Reference Number: GRSG/2015/16
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Submitted by: FIA Foundation
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Meeting Session: 108th GRSG session (4-8
May 2015)
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Document status: Rejected
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Proposal to add anti-fraud provisions and test procedures to the Belgian proposal to include odometers under UN R39 (i.e., document GRSG/2015/15).
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This submission is related to the following document(s):
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Meeting Reports
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Working Party on General Safety | Session 108 | 4-8
May 2015
16. The expert from FIA gave a presentation (GRSG-108-37) justifying the need for protection against mileage fraud and proposing to set up an informal working group on this subject. He presented ECE/TRANS/WP.29/GRSG/2015/16 proposing further amendments to the proposal submitted by Belgium and inserting a reference to the common criteria published in ISO/IEC 15408 (GRSG-108-06). He concluded that the common criteria would result in a higher level of stringency in the security requirements for odometers and thus improve the protection of odometers against mileage fraud. The expert from India raised concerns (GRSG-108-39) to the proposal from FIA. The expert from OICA introduced GRSG-108-38 clarifying the subject and presenting the concerns of the automotive industry to the proposal from FIA. GRSG experts were invited to send their comments to the expert from FIA. GRSG did not support the adoption of the proposal but agreed to keep ECE/TRANS/WP.29/GRSG/2015/16 and GRSG-108-38 on its agenda as a reference document for further consideration at its next session.
Working Party on General Safety | Session 111 | 11-14
Oct 2016
14. Recalling the purpose of ECE/TRANS/WP.29/GRSG/2015/16, the Chair suggested resuming consideration of this subject at a subsequent session of GRSG on the basis of a new document, if available.
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2015-02-25 |
2015-02-25 16:36:30 UTC |
25 Feb 2015
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Proposal for draft 01 series of amendments to Regulation No. 39 | GRSG/2015/15
Document Title: Proposal for draft 01 series of amendments to Regulation No. 39
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Document Reference Number: GRSG/2015/15
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Submitted by: Belgium
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Meeting Session: 108th GRSG session (4-8
May 2015)
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Document status: Superseded
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Proposal to insert performance requirements for the installation of odometers on vehicles.
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This submission is related to the following document(s):
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Meeting Reports
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Working Party on General Safety | Session 108 | 4-8
May 2015
14. The expert from Belgium introduced ECE/TRANS/WP.29/GRSG/2015/15, as amended by GRSG-108-30, proposing to insert new provisions for the installation of odometers on vehicles. GRSG noted general support on the proposal.
15. Following the discussion, GRSG adopted ECE/TRANS/WP.29/GRSG/2015/15, as amended below, and requested the secretariat to submit it to WP.29 and the Administrative Committee of the 1958 Agreement (AC.1) for consideration at their November 2015 sessions, as draft 01 series of amendments to UN Regulation No. 39.
Paragraph 2.6., correct “information equipment” to read “odometer equipment”.
Paragraph 5.5.1., correct “odometer may be” to read “odometer shall be”.
Working Party on General Safety | Session 110 | 25-29
Apr 2016
9. Recalling the purpose of ECE/TRANS/WP.29/GRSG/2015/16 presented at the previous session of GRSG, the expert from FIA reiterated his position on the need to protect odometer equipment against mileage fraud and, therefore, to place the subject in a broader context. He introduced GRSG-110-17 on the current status of the discussion on cybersecurity in the subgroup Autonomous Driving of the WP.29 informal working group on Intelligent Transport Systems (ITS-AD). He proposed to further discuss with OICA experts the security and functional safety specifications of ISO standards 26262 and 15408 on cybersecurity, data protection and remote access to in-vehicle data. The expert from OICA announced his intention to coordinate, in the near future, a common position from his stakeholder and volunteered to report back to GRSG at the forthcoming session.
10. The GRSG Chair suggested resuming consideration of this subject at the next session of GRSG and invited the expert from FIA to get in contact with OICA.
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2015-02-25 |
2015-02-25 16:26:41 UTC |
8 May 2014
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Protection Against Mileage Fraud | GRSG-106-37
Document Title: Protection Against Mileage Fraud
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Document Reference Number: GRSG-106-37
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Submitted by: FIA Foundation
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Meeting Session: 106th GRSG session (5-9
May 2014)
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Presentation in support of the development of technical regulatory specifications to prevent odometer tampering.
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Meeting Reports
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Working Party on General Safety | Session 106 | 5-9
May 2014
42. Recalling the discussion at the previous session of GRSG, the expert from Belgium gave a presentation (GRSG-106-36) on the need to set up new provisions on the odometer. He introduced GRSG-106-06 proposing draft amendments to be included into UN Regulation No. 39 on speedometers. The expert from FIA gave a demonstration on the easy manipulation of modern odometers (GRSG-106-37). He stressed the urgent need to set up anti-tampering measures for odometers. A number of experts were of the opinion that WP.29 should even develop some periodical technical inspection requirements for insertion into UN Rule No. 2 annexed to the 1997 Agreement.
43. GRSG welcomed the proposal by Belgium. GRSG noted general support but a number of Contracting Parties requested that the proposed amendments shall be supplemented with provisions for the mandatory installation of odometer on vehicles, including anti-tampering test requirements and transitional provisions. GRSG agreed to resume consideration of this subject at its next session in October 2014 on the basis of new proposal by Belgium, taking into account the comments received.
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2014-05-08 |
2014-05-08 21:34:43 UTC |
8 May 2014
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Proposal for draft amendments to Regulation No. 39 | GRSG-106-36
Document Title: Proposal for draft amendments to Regulation No. 39
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Document Reference Number: GRSG-106-36
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Submitted by: Belgium
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Meeting Session: 106th GRSG session (5-9
May 2014)
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Presentation in support of the proposal to include odometer provisions in UN R39, including a review of references to odometers across other UN Regulations.
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This submission is related to the following document(s):
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Meeting Reports
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Working Party on General Safety | Session 106 | 5-9
May 2014
42. Recalling the discussion at the previous session of GRSG, the expert from Belgium gave a presentation (GRSG-106-36) on the need to set up new provisions on the odometer. He introduced GRSG-106-06 proposing draft amendments to be included into UN Regulation No. 39 on speedometers. The expert from FIA gave a demonstration on the easy manipulation of modern odometers (GRSG-106-37). He stressed the urgent need to set up anti-tampering measures for odometers. A number of experts were of the opinion that WP.29 should even develop some periodical technical inspection requirements for insertion into UN Rule No. 2 annexed to the 1997 Agreement.
43. GRSG welcomed the proposal by Belgium. GRSG noted general support but a number of Contracting Parties requested that the proposed amendments shall be supplemented with provisions for the mandatory installation of odometer on vehicles, including anti-tampering test requirements and transitional provisions. GRSG agreed to resume consideration of this subject at its next session in October 2014 on the basis of new proposal by Belgium, taking into account the comments received.
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2014-05-08 |
2014-05-08 18:43:22 UTC |
9 Apr 2014
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Proposal for draft amendments to Regulation No. 39 | GRSG-106-06
Document Title: Proposal for draft amendments to Regulation No. 39
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Document Reference Number: GRSG-106-06
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Submitted by: Belgium
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Meeting Session: 106th GRSG session (5-9
May 2014)
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Document status: Superseded
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Proposal to include odometers within the scope of Regulation No. 39 (as an alternative to the proposal in document GRSG-104-14 to develop a new regulation on the installation and performance of odometers).
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This submission is related to the following document(s):
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Meeting Reports
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Working Party on General Safety | Session 106 | 5-9
May 2014
42. Recalling the discussion at the previous session of GRSG, the expert from Belgium gave a presentation (GRSG-106-36) on the need to set up new provisions on the odometer. He introduced GRSG-106-06 proposing draft amendments to be included into UN Regulation No. 39 on speedometers. The expert from FIA gave a demonstration on the easy manipulation of modern odometers (GRSG-106-37). He stressed the urgent need to set up anti-tampering measures for odometers. A number of experts were of the opinion that WP.29 should even develop some periodical technical inspection requirements for insertion into UN Rule No. 2 annexed to the 1997 Agreement.
43. GRSG welcomed the proposal by Belgium. GRSG noted general support but a number of Contracting Parties requested that the proposed amendments shall be supplemented with provisions for the mandatory installation of odometer on vehicles, including anti-tampering test requirements and transitional provisions. GRSG agreed to resume consideration of this subject at its next session in October 2014 on the basis of new proposal by Belgium, taking into account the comments received.
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2014-04-09 |
2014-04-08 22:33:52 UTC |
9 Apr 2013
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Proposal for a new regulation on odometer equipment including its installation | GRSG-104-14
Document Title: Proposal for a new regulation on odometer equipment including its installation
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Document Reference Number: GRSG-104-14
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Submitted by: Belgium
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Meeting Session: 104th GRSG session (15-19
Apr 2013)
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Document status: Superseded
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Proposal to set mandatory requirements for odometers installed in vehicles in order to address odometer use in vehicle maintenance and inspections and to combat odometer fraud in sales of used cars.
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This submission is related to the following document(s):
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Meeting Reports
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Working Party on General Safety | Session 104 | 15-19
Apr 2013
48. The expert from Belgium proposed to develop new provisions concerning the approval of vehicles with regard to the odometer equipment and its installation (GRSG-104-14). GRSG noted a number of comments and concerns, as this subject seemed to be linked to consumer protection rather than to safety issues. The expert from Japan stated that in his country, only the presence of an odometer was regulated, without any performance requirements. Following the discussion, GRSG preferred to resume consideration at its next session in October 2013, on the basis of a concrete proposal by Belgium.
Working Party on General Safety | Session 105 | 8-11
Oct 2013
48. Recalling the purpose of GRSG-104-14 presented at the previous session, the expert from Belgium announced his intention to prepare a concrete proposal for a new UN Regulation on odometer for consideration at the next GRSG session.
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2013-04-09 |
2013-04-09 06:28:39 UTC |