Two topics were added to the agenda:
• OICA to present on biomechanical limits
• Autoliv to present on DEQ

FI-20-01 | Draft agenda for the 20th FI informal group session

The numeration of the minutes needs to be adopted. Minutes accepted.

FI-19-08 | Draft minutes of the 19th FI informal group session

Mr. Trosseille reported back from the Biomechanics Group. No global agreement on all points between all experts was achieved.

Mr. Thompson (Sweden) said, that an internal Swedish discussion let to the result to go on with the rodpot measurement for the Thorax injury risk assessment, because there are too many concerns with regard to the new DEQ criterium. Introducing the DEQ criterium is also not in particular necessary, because the DEQ has been planned to be an interim solution while waiting for the new THOR dummy.

Mr. Pott (OICA) agreed to continue with the rodpot.

Mr. Hand (UK-DfT) said that in view of the timescale and that the rodpot is accepted to be the more mature measurement, there exist no concerns from the UK to use the rodpot measurement.

Mr. Broertjes said that the EC follows the UK position in this regard.

Mr. Delannoy (France) said that the DEQ is a very promising tool to cover rodpot side effects; but in view of the timescale it is difficult to introduce rodpot alternatives now.

Mr. Damm (Germany) agreed to continue with the rodpot measurement.

Mr. Castaing (Chair) concluded that it is the wish of the parties to go on with the rodpot measurement and to find solutions to care for elderly and female based on that tool.

Mr. Casting (Chair) raised the question if a belt force limitation is necessary.

Mr. Herpich (TRW) and Mr. Pott (OICA) mentioned that this is a design restriction.

After agreeing to the rodpot measurement the planned Autoliv presentation on DEQ was withdrawn from the agenda.

Mr. Pastor reported back from the Impact Assessment Group. No global agreement on all points between all experts was achieved. Mr. Pastor said that based on accident data there is no clear indication about the seating position of 50th percentile and 5th percentile dummy. In particular, when referencing to MAIS3+ injured casualties. However, placing the 5th percentile dummy on the passenger side will contribute to harmonization considering FMVSS 208.

The geometric alignment assessment was not finished yet and is postponed to the next meeting.

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The group worked on the Test Matrix document FI-20-0×.

Mr. Pott (OICA) said that OICA is in favor of putting the 5th percentile dummy to the driver position for the offset test.

Mr. Thompson highlighted that it is important to see the impact of the modification in real world. What developments can the change in testing drive?

Mr. Broertjes commented that it could also be an option to leave the decision about the 5th percentile positioning to the type approval authorities.

As regards the injury criteria a 42mm thorax deflection for the ODB test was generally accepted.

Suggestions for other injury criteria limits have been included in the Test Matrix document FI-20-0xe.

With regard to the full width test Peter Broertjes mentioned that the EC still has concerns as regards the selection between Full Width Rigid Barrier and Full Width Deformable Barrier testing.

FI-20-0x | UN Regulation No. 94 test matrix Working document of the Informal Group on Frontal Impact.