Proposal to align the requirements of UN Regulation No. 10 with regard to electromagnetic compatibility of trolleybuses with the electrical standards in Annex 12 to UN Regulation No. 107.
65. The expert from Belgium introduced GRE-71-26 proposing amendments to UN Regulation No. 10 with regard to electromagnetic compatibility of trolleybuses, with a view to aligning the additional safety prescriptions for trolleybuses (Annex 12 to UN Regulation No. 107) with the corresponding electrical standards (see ECE/TRANS/WP.29/GRSG/2013/16). GRE invited the expert from Belgium to re-submit his contribution as official document for consideration at the next session.
44. The expert from Belgium introduced a proposal to amend Regulation No. 10 with prescriptions for electromagnetic compatibility of trolleybuses (ECE/TRANS/WP.29/GRE/2014/41). GRE noted that this amendment had been originally prepared for Regulation No. 107 (General construction of buses and coach), but the Working Party on General Safety Provisions (GRSG) felt that the prescriptions for electromagnetic compatibility of trolleybuses belong to Regulation No. 10 which is under the auspices of GRE. The experts from the Russian Federation and OICA pointed out that the proposed prescriptions for electromagnetic compatibility of trolleybuses do not fit Regulation No. 10, as they are substantially different from the current provisions in this Regulation and would require different testing methods and equipment that are not easily available. GRE agreed to solicit the expert opinions on this issue and to revert to it at its next session. Meanwhile, GRE invited its Chair to bilaterally discuss the issue with the GRSG Chair and, if necessary, to raise it at the November 2014 session of AC.2.
26. The expert from Belgium referred to their proposal for amendments on the electromagnetic compatibility of trolleybuses (ECE/TRANS/WP.29/GRE/2014/41) and asked GRE to postpone the consideration of this issue to the next session, due to the ongoing consultations with OICA. The expert from the Russian Federation proposed corrections to ECE/TRANS/WP.29/GRE/2014/41 (GRE-73-20). The expert from Canada, who had chaired GRE in 2014, reported on his bilateral consultations with the Chair of the Working Party on General Safety Provisions (GRSG) and their agreement that this issue belongs to the scope of Regulation No. 10 and, thus, should be dealt with by GRE. GRE decided to revert to this matter at the next session and invited the experts from Belgium, the Russian Federation and OICA to submit a joint proposal.
26. The expert from Belgium referred to their proposal for amendments on the electromagnetic compatibility of trolleybuses (ECE/TRANS/WP.29/GRE/2014/41) and asked GRE to postpone the consideration of this issue to the next session, due to the ongoing consultations with OICA. The expert from the Russian Federation proposed corrections to ECE/TRANS/WP.29/GRE/2014/41 (GRE-73-20). The expert from Canada, who had chaired GRE in 2014, reported on his bilateral consultations with the Chair of the Working Party on General Safety Provisions (GRSG) and their agreement that this issue belongs to the scope of Regulation No. 10 and, thus, should be dealt with by GRE. GRE decided to revert to this matter at the next session and invited the experts from Belgium, the Russian Federation and OICA to submit a joint proposal.
23. The expert from the Russian Federation introduced amendment proposals on the electromagnetic compatibility (EMC) of trolleybuses (GRE-74-12) with the intention to replace ECE/TRANS/WP.29/GRE/2014/41. The expert from Belgium commented on these proposals. The expert from China proposed a set of amendments to different provisions of Regulation No.10 (ECE/TRANS/WP.29/GRE/2015/36). This proposal received preliminary comments from Finland. Various GRE experts pointed out that, before taking a position on the Chinese and Russian proposals, they had to consult national EMC experts who do not normally attend GRE sessions.
24. To make further progress on the above proposals, GRE decided to create a task force (TF EMC) and invited GRE participants and experts on EMC to take part in this work. OICA volunteered to act as secretary of the task force. GRE agreed that TF EMC should start its activities as soon as possible to address the electromagnetic compatibility of trolleybuses.
23. The expert from the Russian Federation introduced amendment proposals on the electromagnetic compatibility (EMC) of trolleybuses (GRE-74-12) with the intention to replace ECE/TRANS/WP.29/GRE/2014/41. The expert from Belgium commented on these proposals. The expert from China proposed a set of amendments to different provisions of Regulation No.10 (ECE/TRANS/WP.29/GRE/2015/36). This proposal received preliminary comments from Finland. Various GRE experts pointed out that, before taking a position on the Chinese and Russian proposals, they had to consult national EMC experts who do not normally attend GRE sessions.
24. To make further progress on the above proposals, GRE decided to create a task force (TF EMC) and invited GRE participants and experts on EMC to take part in this work. OICA volunteered to act as secretary of the task force. GRE agreed that TF EMC should start its activities as soon as possible to address the electromagnetic compatibility of trolleybuses.
TF examined the documents submitted by Belgium and the proposals from the Russian Federation. The representative from France requested to recall the background of the proposals, and OICA explained the story behind the Belgium paper, on trolley buses. OICA mentioned that trolley buses are like hybrid vehicles, since they can operate either:
OICA outlined that, currently, UN regulations needs to include one sentence saying that trolley buses, when operating in bus mode (moving) or when connected to the grid for charging, should refer to R10. Otherwise, when operating in trolley mode (moving and connected to the grid), the railway standard should be used (IEC 62236-3-1). The proposal for the sentence to be included is: “R10 is applicable when the trolley vehicle is in motion without connection to external power source or when it is connected to the power grid for stationary charging.”
This additional sentence should be added either in R10 or in R107. The representative from France underlined that TF should seek advice from GRE about where to include it. TF agreed with that approach and proposed to further add to the sentence some figures to make it more explanatory. OICA will then prepare a proposal and will discuss it during next TF meeting.
Trolley buses manufacturer, present during the meeting, mentioned that they should go back and check with the representative from Belgium about retracting or amending their former document in the direction of how TF has decided to proceed.
In addition to the sentence to be added to the UN Regulations, TF commented the document Mutual Resolution No. 2 (M.R.2) of the 1958 and the 1998 Agreements (WP.29/1121), containing Vehicle Propulsion System Definitions (VPSD), should be amended. Item 44. reads: “Electric trolley vehicles are not covered in vehicle regulations at this stage.” TF commented that trolley vehicles should then be covered by vehicle regulations in the situation mentioned above (bus mode). As this document is a Resolution, and has no binding aspect, this modification could be done at later step, but it should be mentioned to GRE, and/or WP.29.
The representative from the Russian Federation joined the meeting via teleconference at the end of the meeting, and asked about TF conclusions on trolley buses. The general opinion of the Russian Federation was to agree with the TF plan to move forward, but will proceed with further check on their end, and will comment TF activity based on the TF meeting minutes.
TF examined the documents submitted by Belgium and the proposals from the Russian Federation. The representative from France requested to recall the background of the proposals, and OICA explained the story behind the Belgium paper, on trolley buses. OICA mentioned that trolley buses are like hybrid vehicles, since they can operate either:
OICA outlined that, currently, UN regulations needs to include one sentence saying that trolley buses, when operating in bus mode (moving) or when connected to the grid for charging, should refer to R10. Otherwise, when operating in trolley mode (moving and connected to the grid), the railway standard should be used (IEC 62236-3-1). The proposal for the sentence to be included is: “R10 is applicable when the trolley vehicle is in motion without connection to external power source or when it is connected to the power grid for stationary charging.”
This additional sentence should be added either in R10 or in R107. The representative from France underlined that TF should seek advice from GRE about where to include it. TF agreed with that approach and proposed to further add to the sentence some figures to make it more explanatory. OICA will then prepare a proposal and will discuss it during next TF meeting.
Trolley buses manufacturer, present during the meeting, mentioned that they should go back and check with the representative from Belgium about retracting or amending their former document in the direction of how TF has decided to proceed.
In addition to the sentence to be added to the UN Regulations, TF commented the document Mutual Resolution No. 2 (M.R.2) of the 1958 and the 1998 Agreements (WP.29/1121), containing Vehicle Propulsion System Definitions (VPSD), should be amended. Item 44. reads: “Electric trolley vehicles are not covered in vehicle regulations at this stage.” TF commented that trolley vehicles should then be covered by vehicle regulations in the situation mentioned above (bus mode). As this document is a Resolution, and has no binding aspect, this modification could be done at later step, but it should be mentioned to GRE, and/or WP.29.
The representative from the Russian Federation joined the meeting via teleconference at the end of the meeting, and asked about TF conclusions on trolley buses. The general opinion of the Russian Federation was to agree with the TF plan to move forward, but will proceed with further check on their end, and will comment TF activity based on the TF meeting minutes.
TF examined the documents submitted by Belgium and the proposals from the Russian Federation. The representative from France requested to recall the background of the proposals, and OICA explained the story behind the Belgium paper, on trolley buses. OICA mentioned that trolley buses are like hybrid vehicles, since they can operate either:
OICA outlined that, currently, UN regulations needs to include one sentence saying that trolley buses, when operating in bus mode (moving) or when connected to the grid for charging, should refer to R10. Otherwise, when operating in trolley mode (moving and connected to the grid), the railway standard should be used (IEC 62236-3-1). The proposal for the sentence to be included is: “R10 is applicable when the trolley vehicle is in motion without connection to external power source or when it is connected to the power grid for stationary charging.”
This additional sentence should be added either in R10 or in R107. The representative from France underlined that TF should seek advice from GRE about where to include it. TF agreed with that approach and proposed to further add to the sentence some figures to make it more explanatory. OICA will then prepare a proposal and will discuss it during next TF meeting.
Trolley buses manufacturer, present during the meeting, mentioned that they should go back and check with the representative from Belgium about retracting or amending their former document in the direction of how TF has decided to proceed.
In addition to the sentence to be added to the UN Regulations, TF commented the document Mutual Resolution No. 2 (M.R.2) of the 1958 and the 1998 Agreements (WP.29/1121), containing Vehicle Propulsion System Definitions (VPSD), should be amended. Item 44. reads: “Electric trolley vehicles are not covered in vehicle regulations at this stage.” TF commented that trolley vehicles should then be covered by vehicle regulations in the situation mentioned above (bus mode). As this document is a Resolution, and has no binding aspect, this modification could be done at later step, but it should be mentioned to GRE, and/or WP.29.
The representative from the Russian Federation joined the meeting via teleconference at the end of the meeting, and asked about TF conclusions on trolley buses. The general opinion of the Russian Federation was to agree with the TF plan to move forward, but will proceed with further check on their end, and will comment TF activity based on the TF meeting minutes.