4.1. Japan observations CRS-41-02e
Japan observations were taken into account, explained and discussed during the meeting. The document CRS-41-03e was updated in consequence.

CRS-41-02 | Japanese positions on the second phase development of Regulation No. 129 Japan’s opinion for the R129 Phase 2 and correction of an editorial error in the Draft of Phase 2

CRS-41-03 | Working draft of the phase 2 amendments to UN Regulation No. 129 on child restraint systems Working draft of the amendments to extend the scope of UN R129 to non-integral Child Restraint Systems ("Universal Booster" or "Specific to vehicle Booster").

4.2. Cybex observations
Cybex observations were taken into account, explained and discussed during the meeting. The document CRS-41-03e was updated in consequence.

CRS-41-03 | Working draft of the phase 2 amendments to UN Regulation No. 129 on child restraint systems Working draft of the amendments to extend the scope of UN R129 to non-integral Child Restraint Systems ("Universal Booster" or "Specific to vehicle Booster").

4.3. Retractor definition (Sweden) CRS-41-05e
Tommy PETERSSON from VTI shows us a drawing & explains the principle of a simple retractor. A wrap spring allows retracting the safety belt with a certain force and the retractor can be blocked via a “handle” in order to avoid rotation of the retractor during the crash.

Dorel thinks that the definition of the spring is crucial since a high retracting force can be obtained at the beginning and after few rolls this force can decrease significantly. A constant force spring must be used.

The finality of this subject is to decrease the difference between all test laboratories.

CRS-41-05 | CRS restractor schematic Technical drawing of child restraint system retractor.

4.4. NL shoulder strap positionner testing.
As the shoulder strap positionner in for ’Houdini’ child and not for safety aspect, Hans AMMERLAAN proposes to perform all tests on the product without this function. In the R129, the maximum force to open this system is 15N but the methodology needs to be defined completely.

Concerning lateral protection, the group initially proposed to have side protection for children up to 135 cm. This choice will imply the use of Q10 in side impact. Q6 covers a size range up to 125 cm.

Discussion took place on this topic. Q10 has an adaptation kit for side impact. Römer-Britax highlights the fact that side protection for a Q10 is not considered in existing seat. The size of the dummy should make difficult to control head containment during side impact. Dorel reminds that the Q10 head’s position is always above the 5th percentile female dummy heads in all cars investigated by the ISO working group.

During the meeting, for all discussions & decisions, the document CRS-41-03e was updated for a version available under CRS-41-04e

CRS-41-03 | Working draft of the phase 2 amendments to UN Regulation No. 129 on child restraint systems Working draft of the amendments to extend the scope of UN R129 to non-integral Child Restraint Systems ("Universal Booster" or "Specific to vehicle Booster").

CRS-41-04 | Working draft of the phase 2 amendments to UN Regulation No. 129 on child restraint systems Working draft of the amendments to extend the scope of UN R129 to non-integral Child Restraint Systems ("Universal Booster" or "Specific to vehicle Booster").

5.1. Status of I-Size implementation

EC provided a detailed overview of the state-of-play concerning the acceptance of R129 approved seats for use in the EU. It was explained that the legal experts of the EC were in the process of reviewing the issue if R129 can indeed be viewed as an adaptation to R44, or not, and that this process was not yet finalised. In parallel efforts were being made to update the Seatbelt Wearing Directive to be absolutely clear about the status of R129 and its permitted use in motor vehicles. It was stressed that the process was very much ongoing at the time of the meeting.

The position of the Member states represented in the meeting was asked.

For Hans AMERLAAN (RDW), it is not inacceptable to have the following embarrassing situation:
Countries (contracting party of 1958 agreements) allow the sale of the new enhanced Child Restraints Systems (iSize). But the National law is in contradiction and doesn’t allow the use of such products

France has also authorized the use.

Information from Rudoph GERLACH (TUV) for German market: During the meeting planned for the 15th of November between transport ministry, laboratory and CRS manufacturers in Germany, the following statement will be given: it will be allow to sells & use products homologated according to the R129.

Information from Tommy PETTERSSON (VTI), it’s legal to use product homologated according to the R129 in Sweden

According to Sergi FERRIS (SafeDesign / IDIADA) , situation in Spain is no so clear. It is not allowed but it is also not forbidden to sell and use product homologate according to the R129.

To promote R129, the group suggests adding in the new regulation a sentence clarifying that R129 is an evolution of R44.

The chairman suggests including this kind of sentence in the formal amendment ECE/TRANS/WP.29/GRSP/2013/23. ANEC volunteer to include this proposal into the document.

Peter BROERTJES (EC) highlights also that it is needed to clarify the possibility to use iSize product in Isofix seating position since a lot of contradicting information are given on this subject.

Isize Product are super Isofix then for the informal group it is clear that they can be used in a ISOFIX seating position defined by a car seat fitting list.

Final statement of the group: R129 Isofix CRS products can be installed in Isofix seating positions declared by CRS manufacturer in a car seat fitting list.

CRS-37-02 | Questions/answers concerning document WP.29/2012/53 Q&A concerning the new regulation on enhanced child restraint systems.

GRSP/2013/23 | Draft 01 series of amendments (Phase 2) to Regulation No. 129 Text to introduce all the modifications needed in UN Regulation No. 129 (enhanced child restraint systems (ECRS)) suggested by the experts of the informal working group on child restraint systems (IWG CRS) to extend the scope of this regulation to non-integral Child Restraint Systems ("Universal Booster" or "Specific to vehicle Booster") (Phase 2 of the UN Regulation).

5.2. Status on I-Size logo / name
Peter BROERTJES (EC) inform the group that the European Commission succeeds to challenge the deposit of the I-size brand name by a Spanish company. The Brand name I-size is free and can be used without any restriction.

CRS-37-02 | Questions/answers concerning document WP.29/2012/53 Q&A concerning the new regulation on enhanced child restraint systems.

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